I've Been Pirating This Software For At Least 8 Years. I Just Bought It.

5066  2016-10-03 by MakeItYours9

559 comments

Respect. I'd buy it too if I got this kind of attitude on a software I use. This is why I tend to buy stuff from GOG instead of pirating them.

GOG turns away a lot of developers, they're not exactly looking out for the little guys.

Isn't that better than steam's policy which is to accept every piece of garbage? GoG needs to maintain their drm free storefront, they cant waste their time on 100 unity asset flips and still make sure their customers get a good experience.

I think it's misguided to complain about the amount of trash on Steam. For one, most of that sorts itself out with user reviews. Its very easy to avoid looking at the crappy stuff. And two, some crappy games weren't designed to be crappy. It's a great way for a developer to get their foot in the door and hopefully learn from their mistakes. Bad games don't necessarily mean bad developers. Steam allows for near anyone to have a chance.

Yeah, I don't want a curated storefront that only permits the best of the best and denies 3/5 star indie games. If I know that it's not AAA going in, I'll have a fine time with it.

I think it's about honest marketing more than anything. An indie dev who has representative screenshots, gameplay videos, and a reasonable price on Steam should be given a fair chance. Many AAA developers pump out hundreds of sequels which recycle assets and get worse every time but still get millions in sales and reviews everywhere. Meanwhile people who genuinely put their heart into their game and are completely honest about it get completely ignored.

It doesn't matter if it's terrible, they tried their hardest and participated

I disagree. The colossal amount of shovelware on greenlight drowns actually good things in a sea of shit and serves to discredit the entire greenlight process.

Preach! Although, it is getting filtered better... At least I can ignore rpg maker tags by default,now.

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It's kind of annoying that my featured games on the store page is polluted with trash. "Oh that looks like it could be a cool game" Negative reviews, terrible graphics, complaints by users about an unfinished game. Repeat 10 times.

Exactly. Also, as an indy developer you can learn from the bad games as well, trying to avoid what they did. It's good to see all that's out there

Yeah, I still find that those crap games end up on my store front or popular new.

I guess it works from a business standpoint. I'm certain that I check steam for new and interesting things more now than I did when I started using it nearly a half decade ago.

For one, most of that sorts itself out with user reviews.

Yeah, but people have to buy and be disappointed with the game in order to spare the rest of us.

I think that's unavoidable. If you take the risk of buying a low-key game from a relatively unknown/unproven developer, you should probably anticipate the chance that you're not going to get a good game.

I think there's a place for each, and complaining that one is not like the other - in either direction - is silly.

Yes it's easy to avoid looking at crappy stuff but it is still all over the new releases and recently updated and my discovery queue =/

IMO, no. A store with limited shelf space should curate its products to a degree. The shelf space on Steam is infinite. So long as refund policies exist and there are checks against malicious software I don't really care what Steam publishes. I don't have to buy it and I won't if it's a piece of a garbage.

The space may be unlimited in that u can always get more space.

But the more games you have in your store the more expensive it is to run. More support tickets, refunds, developer complaints and questions. You have to also buy the space which isn't bad dollars wise. But you have to scale your infrastructure and maintain it. I think you are underestimating the actual cost of the unlimited space. Not to mention if the games are shovel ware, the $ profit / cost of having the game in your store and dealing with the shit that comes with that is probably pretty low. Alot of extra support tickets and complaints and developer questions/issues then more solid games from better developers.

Now that I think about it, that profit to steam/overhead for the game for steam is pretty low for alot of those shit games. However, if you have a boat load of those shit games you can automate, group, and drive down costs. And having very little profit per game, but a boat load of those games, they come out alright. It would be similar to companies that have tons of chain stores like Walmart. If Walmart only had 100 stores or less, they couldn't offer the same prices. Buying/selling in bulk has similar concepts to steam selling games with very low profit margins once overhead is factored in.

It really only comes down to data transmission costs. The storage space for something is insignificant compared to what it costs to send it. But since Steam makes money for at least the first transmission (barring free keys), it shouldn't matter.

They're sitting on plenty of capital and quite profitable despite having a bunch of terrible games available. If anything, the CDN they use (for faster downloads relative to local areas) probably costs more what with all the duplication and syncing.

Edit: my last post did admit storage cost was super cheap and insignificant. I don't disagree with that.

But the costs for support tickets for developers and buyers (and other overhead costs) and scaling infrastructure (costs vary depending on how it was made to scale) plus the new employees to hire and train are significant when you look at it for all the games (that they allow versus GoG) combined. Per game not a huge deal but still not free, but all together it is a big deal and for GoG it isn't worth it. There will need to be a significant investment of capital and a time period where no income is generated from it, then there will be a time period where they are generating revenue but still haven't came out of the red because of overhead and the initial investment. And if things go south they never get that money back. To expand into an area you haven't done things in when there isn't alot of data out there of similar situations (just steam really at that scale) there is risk there that some companies would not be willing to accept.

GoG is a business, and if it was easy and profitable with low risk they would have done it already. Not sure if it is publicly traded (if not the board or officers or owner do care about the bottom line but it adds a more human element sometimes for better or worse), but if it is then pleasing shareholders is king. If they are not, the people in charge could decide it's not worth the hassle even if they make money. The added risk may be more then they are willing to accept, and growing the company that way might be seen as unsustainable and the small short time boost isn't worth it since no stockholders to please. You can give a million examples of why someone wouldn't want to do expand into a new area if the company wasn't public.

Nothing to do with being nice to indie gamers, everything to do with the bottom line and company perception as it relates to the future. Steam didn't do Greenlight because the company is nice. Sure there are people there who care about indie developers enough to want to help them and maybe even Gabe cares but the company as an entity only cares about stock prices and the bottom line. That $100 gate fee spread across all the Greenlight games covers enough costs for steam to benefit on top of a percentage of sales. Then they can point to growth as well because look at all the games we have on our store now and they have more sales with them then without them. So double whammy for the shareholder.

Tl;dr: if you add thousands of games, the costs may be low per game but significant overall. There are risks and not alot of other examples besides steam at that scale which lower confidence. If it was risk free and profitable, GoG would have done it already.

But the costs for support tickets for developers and buyers (and other overhead costs) and scaling infrastructure (costs vary depending on how it was made to scale) plus the new employees to hire and train are significant when you look at it for all the games (that they allow versus GoG) combined. Per game not a huge deal but still not free, but all together it is a big deal and for GoG it isn't worth it.

Sure, probably not. It takes time to build a business up to be able to do that. Steam had a head start of like a decade.

 

There will need to be a significant investment of capital and a time period where no income is generated from it, then there will be a time period where they are generating revenue but still haven't came out of the red because of overhead and the initial investment. And if things go south they never get that money back. To expand into an area you haven't done things in when there isn't alot of data out there of similar situations (just steam really at that scale) there is risk there that some companies would not be willing to accept.

Yes, that's how businesses work. You either grow or you become stagnant. It's possible to grow very slowly and fill a niche (which is what GOG does right now), but you're going to be outpaced by your competition.

People won't use a platform that doesn't have the games they want on it.

 

Tl;dr: if you add thousands of games to your digital store, the costs may be low per game but significant when you combine all their costs. There are risks and not alot of other examples besides steam at that scale which makes the risk harder to swallow. If it was risk free and profitable, GoG would have done it already.

Right, that's the thing - it's not risk-free. No such move in business is risk-free.

The real question here is the greater risk of platform adoption versus catalog size. I don't auto-boot GOG despite owning quite a few games on it because the games I play most often aren't (or weren't) available at the time. People pay for Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. because it has most of the stuff they want and a huge variety. There's niche services out there, but they won't be able to compete with the big ones.

I think that's something GOG has to consider (and probably already is). Every game that gets released on Steam and not on GOG is a lost opportunity for more people on their platform.

I agree with everything you said. : )

A lot of garbage is due to Steam Greenlight, which is gated by a $100 fee, then the users have to vote if they want it.

There's PLENTY of asset flips on gog. They mainly target small developers that can't pay to be on their store.

There's numerous examples of GOG turning away games by talented developers, for example Arcen's Starward Rogue was declined, as was Jonathan Blow's Braid. I vaguely remember Mike Bithell's Thomas Was Alone was declined as well. There's a fine line between turning away the "My Ferst Gaem!!!" crowd and deliberately limiting the available games on the storefront and GOG aren't treading it. Steam lets too much shit on its storefront and GOG doesn't let enough solid indie games on.

braid is on gog so i dont know what you mean, even if it wasn't Blowjob reguarly talks about how everyone should blacklist game devlopers he disagrees with so i wouldnt mind if he got a taste of his own medicine. starward rogue looks like a crappy flash game so thats not exactly a great example.

It was added when he negotiated a contract with the witness. In other words it took them 7 years to agree to sell it.

Blow's a pompous asshole and he probably does deserve a hard time, but that's just an example of small developers getting turned away who are not producing shite like the slaughtering grounds. I might go dig up the list on the GOG forums when I've gotten some sleep, it's more extensive than just the games I've mentioned.

Would like to see that list, if for nothing more than my curiousity.

They're a business, not a charity.

Exactly. Selling the game has overhead costs to GoG. Not all of it is easily quantifiable, but i am sure they have tons of data that shows it isn't worth it for them.

Maybe they just did not like those games? Thomas was alone in particular looks like trash at first glance due to it's extremely simple art style, and it being the devs first breakout game. If you are manually curating games that means you need at least one person to play it or look at it and give their subjective opinion, something that takes a massive amount of time. Small company like CDPR is not going to have time to find the diamonds in the rough after having multiple people play every game for hours. Just because that person disagreed with you, does not mean they are "wrong". Pick your horse, do you want a game on the storefront based on a subjective opinion or not. Either you let everything in and let the community sort it out, or you miss some shit, there is no line.

Why denied?

Assuming you mean Blowhard, hopefully for being a pompous piece of shit.

Well. Write them an email.

Isn't that better than steam's policy which is to accept every piece of garbage?

How so? Who decide what is a piece of garbage and what is not? And on what ground?

the GoG staff would, as they are now. i never said it wasn't a subjective system. Right now we have steam which has no real curation and GoG which has some. Why should we have 2 competing platforms become the same thing.

GoG is drm free, Steam is not. This is what really make both of them different.

Steam greenlight has been a blessing for indies games, you can't deny it. This show, imo, how "curation" can (and will) be totally unfair and deny perfectly good games their chance to shine.

Plus, why care about having bad games on GoG/Steam when you have a review system?

Greenlight was a blessing when it first released... but consider that now that anyone can get on steam rather trivially, being "on steam" is less of an advantage than it once was. It still provides ease of access, but is GoG a platform that should focus on ease of access for developers, or ease of access and quality for the consumer. They seem to be choosing the latter, currently.

i dont really find a review system very effective for dealing with the tier of garbage im referring to, its great for figuring out bigger flops but there's a lot of sub 500 reviews review botting that goes on as well as reward and bribery based various methods devs use to aquire reviews, that go under the radar specifically because of the uncurated platform.

No.

I'd rather be able to choose through everything and decide what products I like than let someone else decide what's good or isn't and graciously allow me to browse their choices.

Cool.

Use Steam.

Cool.

Use GOG.

but, the point of gog is that there isn't drm on anything. that means it's curated, and to curate takes time. i dont think they have the resources to make sure there's no drm in every asset flip that comes their way.

They could easily just implement a blanket rule that all titles must be DRM free or they'll be removed from the store if discovered and payments withheld/sued for breaking the contract.

DRM free does not require curation to exist.

Yeah so easy to sue someone

Yeah when you're a business entering into a business contract and you can clearly show them breaking said contract, it is.

I think the "good" part in "good old games" acronym is still relevant. I f you made a good game, they will probably accept to sell it. They won't accept the next rock simulator 2020 or whatever shit goes through steam.

Nope. They've turned away many indie developers who did quite well on Steam. Thomas Was Alone and Braid are two of the more famous examples, while recent declines for games like Starward Rogue by Arcen show that GOG's curation is really strict. They will deny a game using the justification that it isn't a good fit for its customer base.

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Well at least they have quality control, right? Unlike *ehrm* Steam.

There is a place for quality control, but I would argue that a store shouldn't limit what they sell. With GoG, I get the curation. They're a DRM free store, so they need to investigate the games on their store for DRM. Steam does not have such restrictions. It is up to the customer to shop around and decide if they want to purchase a game. Personally, I'd rather steams approach, but those who have problems with DRM are welcome to look elsewhere.

The problem with steam is that...a lot of customers are dumb (I guess, otherwise there wouldn't be complaining about the games offered...just don't buy it?). This leads to people getting swindled by obvious low effort, shitty games.

but I would argue that a store shouldn't limit what they sell.

You've definitely never owned any sort of customer facing business.

The problem with steam is that...a lot of customers are dumb

This argues with your first point.

You've definitely never owned any sort of customer facing business.

No. I haven't. But, as a customer, I'd choose a store that had as large of a selection as possible and let ME choose what I want to buy, rather than a store that tries to tell me what I want to buy.

And as far as my point about customers being dumb...I don't think that contradicts my original point. I'm simply stating that I understand people's concern over the store offering low effort, shitty games since some customers are stupid and buy them. My belief is that is a problem of the customer. Not the store.

Most people who use reddit are knowledgeable or have common sense, something that a minority of customers have. The mindsets business cater to are the majority of the target audience.

I'd argue they don't have quality control, they just nuke everything that approaches the store. When I think quality control I think a nice balance between introduction of new games and ensuring every game is in a good state regarding the work that's been put into it. This is a bit of a grey area since they have launched their own version of early access, but just have a look at the release list on the main page and see how dull it is. I remember checking back after 4 months of hiatus buying games and feeling 100% confident that nothing worth purchasing had been released in that timeframe. That's largely because GOG will happily decline indie developers who do have decent work to show for their time and effort.

I'd like to remind people that the downvote button is for content that does not contribute to a discussion. You're not supposed to use it for opinions you disagree with.

GOG: GOOD Old Games.

Are these developers of a good game?

Is the game an old game?

GOG

Good, I don't want Steam 2.

A lot of developers turn away from GoG as well. Lots of software which doesn't receive patches or DLC, yet which has it on Steam.

It's called Good Old Games, not Random Crap Made From Bought Assets In 10 Hours.

USB Overdrive is a really great piece of software. My only complaint is that $20 feels pretty steep for what you're getting. I would happily drop $5-10 on it, but for $20 I'm okay with just using the trial version unfortunately.

After 8 years using it, I think it's not bad.

You're probably right. As irrational as this is, the main reason I don't buy it is it's on my work computer and I feel like my company should do that for me... but they never will of course haha

I bought sublime. The license is yours, you can take it to work or anywhere else. It's stated on the page.

If you had a Mac at home as well, it wouldn't be too bad if you used it/needed it there...

80% of the reason why I love having full access to my Uni's servers(I had the IT guys hook me up to some extra access for a 6 pack). I have access to so many research sites and online journals. Normally we'd just get Neuro and Psych stuff in my office, I get every department.

as someone who has never felt like he needs it or knows what it does and doesnt want to google it for himself, (but is happy to ask what it does which is theoretically a longer process to do for you and me) can you tell me what its for?

Essentially, Apple doesn't give OSX users a lot of options when it comes to customizing USB devices such as mice, especially when they're third party products. As primarily a PC user, I found OSX's default mouse acceleration to be incredible annoying to deal with, and I like to be able to customize the buttons on my mouse (for example, modifying the speed of mouse wheel scrolling or reversing it entirely). USB Overdrive provides a ton of options like this and make it a lot easier to use third party peripherals with OSX.

ah i see thanks for taking the time to explain it. Much appreciated! I can see why its so useful.

Do you drink beer?

I do! This feels like it might be a leading question....

Well unless you're getting laid with every couple of pints, if you can buy beer you can pay $20 for software that you use every day.

I'm vehemently anti-pirating, but I have this same complaint with a number of utility-style programs (Stardock Fences comes to mind, though I haven't needed that in a long time). I very clearly remember thinking "I'd drop $5 on this in a heartbeat, and probably $10 after some hesitation, but at $20 you've lost me as a customer."

I don't understand why you have so many upvotes. The fact that the other software you use does not splash touchy-feely messages begging you not to pirate does not give you a carte blanche to pirate.

Right? I feel out of place here because I actually legally buy my software keys

What did you expect on a piracy subreddit though? If you expected actual arrrrhhhh pirates I'd give you that one. But even if what you do is of higher moral standing when it comes to piracy, majority of people who would be a part of this group aren't just doing the same thing you do. And for some people, you either are breaking the law and pirating and are immoral or you aren't. That is a valid school of thought whether you agree with it since morals are subjective.

On a sub devoted to software piracy. Yes, you are out of place.

What is GOG?

Good Old Games. Fantastic website.

Apparently they've stopped calling themselves "Good Old Games", but they will always be Good Old Games in my heart.

Not been called that for a while, they have quite a lot of modern games available now.

Why is it better than Steam?

All their games are drm free. From what I understand you could put them on a flashdrive if you wanted and transport them from pc to pc

I have a hard drive with my GOG games on it (about 250). I live on the side of a mountain where internet can get spotty, so they are a god-send.

No DRM, but smaller selection. Not a surprise, given how developers work.

GoG is awesome. Witcher 3 is worth every cent. DRM free is always better.

You have to be pretty screwed up in the head to have that sort of logic, it's literally something a sociopath would say: "I have no moral dilemma committing a crime and wronging another person unless they beg for me to do the thing I'm supposed to do in the first place, then I might take pity on them".

I think what the poster is alluding to is that lots of software will put drm that hurts the user experience where as this case is quite the opposite.

Hurts the user experience for people that don't value the software enough to purchase it.

I'll never understand how people doing this feel justified. You don't value someone's work enough to pay them for it, so instead you steal it. People must feel so entitled that they believe their desire to have something outweighs the creator's right to be compensated for what they create.

Hurts the user experience for people that legally bought it actually, especially before steam was around.

Before steam yous have to find the game key if you wanted to reinstall a game. Pirates don't.

Currently you can't even play steam games without logging in first. Pirates can.

So in lieu of registration keys, you think everything should just be DRM-free? How do you expect software engineers/game developers to continue making games if more and more people steal them rather than purchase them?

If they turn to DLC/micro-transactions people lose their shit. Why would they continue to make games/software if they don't make money doing it? Good vibes?

There's boundless evidence that drm does not work. Firstly being that we have cracked every drm created. Secondly, there are many drm free games that are bestsellers; ever heard of Witcher?

Drm is a waste of money for developers and waste of everything for gamers

TIL I'm a sociopath

I would love to buy from GOG but they like to be content gatekeepers so a lot of what I want isn't there. I prefer Steams approach of letting damn near anything on and letting us rate them into oblivion if they are shit.

they [GOG] like to be content gatekeepers

Can you explain what you mean here?

I was under the impression that GOG's library is comparatively small because publishers aren't keen on releasing their games DRM-free, which isn't entirely GOG's fault.

That's true. I'm not bashing GOG as being all-bad. They did have NoX and them alone for long enough that I love them. Plus they championed many other old RPGs that others did not offer.

However, I have heard of smaller developers getting turned away but finding a place on Steam. I know it's lazy but I don't want to have to search for the one, but I recall asking a developer earlier this year why a game I wanted wasn't on GOG. They were turned away.

I actually want GOG to gain wider acceptance, but as you point out a lot of companies hate the DRM-free idea, so that I can move over to it.

If their sales start to match Steams more often (or Steam keeps nerfing theirs lol) then I will likely be buying from them more often regardless.

The problem is that there are small storefronts that allow anything in, and they are largely considered garbage stores.

I don't like it, but I get why GOG does it. Steam is the only one with enough market presence to get away with it.

I don't think any store would have an issue with it. I don't think there are other large stores besides GOG and Steam. There are small ones that offer mostly indishovel and then the me-too stores like Origin that will never take off.

Oddly enough, the Humble Store is the closest thing I have seen to approaching Steam and GOG.

I will gladly take more choices even if not all are good. I am on Windows, and more has always worked out better. Unless your one of my family... how they manage to wreck their rigs in the span of a day I have no idea.

I don't think any store would have an issue with it. I don't think there are other large stores besides GOG and Steam. There are small ones that offer mostly indishovel and then the me-too stores like Origin that will never take off.

That's kind of my point though: GOG is the one store to rise in a post-Steam market, in no small part because they practice quality control on their platform. It allows them to set competitive prices, to offer good customer service, and overall keep satisfaction rates high.

Fair points. I haven't dealt with their customer service. I don't know how I would react if a human being spoke to me for support.

I wish the best for GOG. I actually feel safe with buying from them. With Steam I always have this paranoid backup plan where if Steam closes down and gives me the finger I will just arrrrrr my way around the web to recollect everything. Don't feel the need with GOG obviously.

Honestly as a dev you need to realize fighting pirates is futile. I guess there's at least a way to get people like you.

Bingo

wouldnt be suprised if GOG games are the ones that hit pirate bay the most

Fuck GOG, they don't even have a plan for releasing a Linux client.

Maybe because 90% of their catalog was meant for windows95? Sure you can maybe Wine most of it or something but should they then be responsible for supporting such a hacky solution?

Most of the GoG games I actually play are for DOS, not Win9x. Setting them up to use DosBox under Linux should be trivial. Offering the native Linux clients for Unreal Tournament 99/2k4 would be great too. I'd like to see Steam start doing the same as well.

I've got about six or seven DOS games from GoG that I've setup to be played on a tablet. It's really not that hard to do it yourself. Or to d a one-time setup for a virtual machine with XP to play all these games under.

I know, I know, I'm just lazy. :P As for making a virtual machine, they run like crap on my laptop.

It's not their job to accommodate the fringe 1% who insist on trying to run games on Linux.

If you know the bare minimum to install a Linux distro, you know there isn't much gaming to be done. If you haven't accepted that, that's on you.

Of course the cool thing about open source is you're free to go develop your own games for your Linux system!

I would feel bad.

Your key is bad and you should feel bad!

I would file a bug report then tell the dev he offended me and I'm asking for a refund, and also keep pirating his software.

ANNOUNCEMENT: The asshole has been found. I repeat, the asshole has been found. All Anonymous operatives, pease report to your hacking stations and launch a class-A[sshole] attack.

pease report

I'm imagining little green things going to their "hacking stations"

I just saw my typo, too funny to be fixed.

Jokes on you, I have linux.

πŸ‘All πŸ‘ assholes πŸ‘ do πŸ‘

Jokes on you, linux isn't an OS.

It's a lifestyle.

ARE YOU FUCKING SORRY!?

Yes sir.

Hell no! Anyone dumb enough to name a girl "Sorry" has clearly passed on the crazy gene and I am not sticking my dick in that rodeo clown again.

A great example of an Appeal to Values or an Appeal to Pathos rhetorical technique.

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I wouldn't

Well I guess you're just a dick then

Had him tagged as autist, I guess he's something in between.

So I'm bad because I wouldn't fall for this message, but I'm not bad because I would pirate something you pirate? Fucking hypodit

Yeah! What this guy said!

You fucking hypodit...

... Hypodit...

Wait a minute O.o

HYPO-DIT from reddit. even though i do think this dumb ass ebsite should be called fanboys' nest not reddit because that's what it is

or CIRCLE JERK

Ken M is that you?

Nah far too aggressive to be Ken M.

Maybe he has an alt that he uses when he needs to let it all out.

We're all fucking hypodits on this dumb ass day.

It's Ken N. The N stands for negativity, BIATCH.

What's a ebsite :o

Haha just knocking on ya ;P

You're on a roll, son.

What's to fall for?

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So you don't think that the developer of this uses the income to support himself and his family? Where do you think his money comes from?

No you're just a dick, if I saw a message like this I would shell out a few dollars to support the dev. Because I'm not a dick, like you.

you realise that doesn't make any sense right? You're allowed to pirate but when they put a sad message you should buy it?

Lmao right?? Fucking hypodits

they should get off this ebsite

How to stop pirating!:
Put a little sad note about how you need to feed your kids and people will buy your product instead of pirating!

Those who don't put a sad little note obviously don't have children and don't need money.

I wouldn't mind sneaking into the local 20 theater screen multiplex to see the latest super hero movie, but I wouldn't even think about sneaking into the local indecent theater that's showing some smaller indie film.

Edit: independent, not indecent

I'd never go into an indecent theatre, I'm no hypodit.

local indecent theater

I'd pay to see one of their "smaller indie films".

I think the point is that people seem to be willing to sneak into local independent theaters as long as they aren't told about the owner's kids.

maybe it's when they realize it's one dude trying to make a living instead of a company like microsoft or google?

so what he does is ok, but microsoft that has 100k people to feed can just make less money so you fanboys are happy?

i don't know. i don't pirate at all.

The money that microsoft makes disproportionately goes to executives and investors who are already extremely wealthy. That's the difference that people in this subreddit are concerned with.

Its not about the sad message. Its how the devs dont mind you pirating the product, and they understand why you pirate it.

then why so many people start suddenly hating on me because i express my opinion. oh wait it's reddit aka AGREE WITH ME OR FUCK OFF - DIT

Because you wrote "I wouldn't." If anything, you could of said that differently like "I probably wouldn't buy one still since I don't have the money for programs."

You should realize you came out as a dick.

could of

Could have*

Thank you!

Sorry for expressing my opinion. I guess I have to agree with others or I just get trashed on this horrible place

Don't let the door hit you on your way out...

Its not just your opinion, but how you expressed it.

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you expressed what i should do, exposing all this fake people falling for this bs, except hate, and few more names on your block list soon :)

Why does it take a sad message like that to buy it but actually paying for someone's work isnt s good enough reason

I pay for things as often as I can. Im a poor college student though so sometimes I have to pirate something to enjoy it, and if I get use out of it I pay for it later

so i have to pay to meet this fanboys nest dumb mindset? ill pay for wtf i want to pay. and i wont pay for the rest so yeah fk shit logic

I didn't say you had to do anything. Apparently you're dumb and a dick.

No the difference comes in when you feel empathy for the small developer who is trying to make a living off of his software compared to just pirating from EA or something.

Take your hypoditsy elsewhere scum.

people pirate DRM Free or steam drm games non stop and many never buy them. even indies. and you cry here and hate on me for not caring about this guy.

Edgelord kid confirmed

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I agree there's some hypocrisy going on here, but why you have to be a dipshit about it? Also, if you don't like Reddit, what the hell are you doing here?

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Here come the SRSers! Brds unite for the fempire!

omg it's kkk, ilu

Hey Tortie! Nice to see you.

Hi krusty, I'm almost legal btw ;333

Are you a grill??

Yes, I'm george foreman brand grill btw :3

OK you're confusing me now. As always

Yeah, SRD are absolutely cucked, no real difference between them and SRS at this point.

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You entered a known pirate code.

No big deal.

And at this exact moment you 100% know that you're going to buy that software.

So basically the developer has to directly pander to you or you'll just steal their shit?

Precisely

Exactly.

Pretty much.

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Edit: guess there's not a lot of programmers/scripters here.

It's really shocking to me how many idiots in this thread are parroting this same sentiment, as if it's their right to use any software they want without paying for it. What the fuck?

It's not a right, but I'll do it anyway because I want to.

No problem, as long as you realize that what you're doing is wrong and don't be like OP and expect a medal when you pay $20 for a piece of software you actually need.

I think it is more complex than this. There is a shit load of freeware that does the exact same thing. There is no reason to buy this program. It is over priced for what it is and the market has spoken... it isnt worth $20. So people are pointing it out by pirating. So the question is more, is pirating a morally acceptable way to express that feeling.

I get your sentiment...but then why not use the freeware? Is the one that costs money actually better? If not...then why bother with pirating it if there are free and legal alternatives?

Pirate sites are like shopping malls. The popular stores are busy not because they are better but because they are busy... we see they are busy and assume they are better.

So if you go to a pirate site and see softwareX has 5k seeds and softwareY has 30 you would assume X is better than Y when in reality there is no reason to pirate Y as it is offered for free from the developers page so less people have pirated it in the past.

Now you could download both the paid and free versions compare them and uninstall the lesser of the two but we have already established that more people liked X so why test it?


It is oddly difficult to find new software. I never knew I needed autohotkey until I seen a portable version of it on a pirate site. I never knew software like it existed but having seen the popularity of it I looked it to it. The full version is free the portable is free the copy that got me to look into it was the pirated version. Of course once I looked into it I have the regular developers version but there is something to say about pirate sites intrinsic ability to recommend software through popularity.

Nice comment. That makes a lot of sense the way you break it down.

I think OP was more congratulating the developer on a successful marketing strategy for pirates and posting here about the 'good guy developer' to encourage more people to buy his software.

That's just the impression I got though.

Well I mean we are in a sub called /r/piracy.

I don't follow this sub but hopefully the people here realize they're shitbags and need a job.

But at least someone who openly admits to pirating did spend a bit of cash and be less of a piece of garbage. So that is kind of a medal for people who probably frequent this type of sub. I mean they deserve at least a pat on the head for being a bit less than pure garbage.

Right?

You realize that a large portion of pirates do it because they can't buy (as in not sold in their country) what they want, or are minors with no way to get a revenue stream. I used to pirate everything when I was younger. Now that I have money, I sometimes pirate from big studios, and always pay for anything indie that I enjoy.

get out moralfag

It's not wrong. I don't have the money to pay for every piece of software, movie, or song I download. no one should be at a disadvantage because of their financial status.

Uhhhhh absolutely people are going to be at a disadvantage because of financial status, that's kind of the basis of how money works.

Yes they have a disadvantage. I said they shouldn't.

If there weren't advantages to be gained by having more money, money itself would become worthless.

It's almost like people don't understand logic on this sub.

wew lad

Almost like this is /r/piracy

The ol' "don't you know you're on 4chan?" trick.

They asked a question, he answered.

I don't know what to tell you lol if you go on /r/piracy and talk shit about people not paying for stuff, you're gonna have a bad time. You may be right and it may be the same underlying principle that allowed the holocaust to happen...now what? You're still talking crap about piracy to a bunch of pirates.

IMO idealistic disagreeing with internet piracy doesn't contribute to the /r/piracy community constructively at all and if you aren't a pirate why are you here? If it's just that you stumbled in here from /r/all maybe you should recognize that and respect the culture of that individual subreddit.

almost like that's not a valid excuse for patting yourself on the back for not stealing shit

Reasoning /= excuse. One implies a lot more than the other.

Copying isn't theft.

People made tools to make my life easier? Fuck them.

Do you know what subreddit you're on?

This is a sub for the discussion of digital piracy.

Yes.

How is this pandering?

Because a lot of software would just allow you to register it and not bother you with a plea to purchase it.

So it's pandering to ask people to do the right thing?

The definition of pandering is to gratify or indulge (an immoral or distasteful desire, need, or habit or a person with such a desire, etc.). That's literally what this developer is doing. They're telling the person pirating that they can continue pirating and they should just reconsider some day (that's indulging them).

That's the criminal definition of pandering, i.e. drug dealing and prostitution. Political pandering, which is the chief sense in which the term still exists today, refers to the act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal, with the implication that you don't actually believe what you're saying.

There's three paragraphs there. Take a look at the second one.

This humanizes them and makes people [pirates] see them as something other than just some corporate entity.

No I still wouldn't buy. Only idiots pay for stuff they can get for free.

That sounds like a great slogan to collapse an economy

"steal"

Yes, steal.

Copy, actually

Not necessarily. Just because one thing (pandering to us) causes something else (us paying for it) doesn't mean that effect is impossible without the first thing.

If p, then q

P

Therefor, q.

is what u/MafaRioch is saying. This is a valid form of argument.

If p, then q

Not p.

Therefor, not q

is what you are saying. This is an invalid form of argument.

EDIT: God damn, people. This is literally the first thing they teach you in any logic course. I'm not trying to act smart. I thought I was helping. Everyone getting offended by high school level shit, this must really piss you off: y=mx+b. Wow, look at what a fucking nerd I am. I also know what negative numbers are and can name the first 4 presidents.

Someone's super excited to get through the first month of Discrete Math. It's therefore, by the way.

Actually both spellings are accepted

... TIL. Thanks

No they're not

Not really. I took a semester of logic in hs. I try not to use it, because it always just pisses people off. I slip up a couple times a year, though, and I'm very quickly reminded that no one wants to hear it. Lesson learned again until February or March.

I took a semester of logic in hs

I was a freshman too.

It was a sophomore level class at my school. I took it junior year with all the other idiots.

Wow with brains like that you could score 150 on the LSAT.

/r/irememberasmallamountofwhatilearnedinhighschool

Basic logic is one of the only everyday-useful things they taught us in high school. I don't get why people get angry at it.

Can't believe the reaction you're getting, people round here must be really insecure lol. Don't sweat it, what you said is correct and relevant to the discussion even if people think using logic is somehow pretentious.

You're being downvoted because you're being deliberately obtuse.

If p, then q
Not p.
Therefor, not q

is what you are saying.

No, it's not. sportspsych's point is that the previous set of conditions should've been enough, not that there are literally no other possible conditions.

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Getting downvoted for symbolic logic? That's probably not the first time this has happened, nor will it be the last.

/r/iamverysmart ...Wheezzzeeeee

I bet you're the kind of person who cupped one of your hands over your asshole after typing that, in order to catch one of your farts to whiff as a reward to yourself for writing that comment.

Jesus Christ, I genuinely thought I was helping.

I'm with you bro

So this is just my opinion. I've got no issues with how you explained it. However, I spent years growing up as the "smart" kid in my family, and ran into this problem for awhile before it finally clicked.

Most of the backlash is stemming from how you explained it.

People react poorly if you sound like a textbook when explaining a concept. The phrasing and examples you use are extremely important, and have to ensure you don't come off as someone who is attempting to prove how intelligent they are. It doesn't matter how relevant the idea is or even if it's correct. If a person believes you're just stroking your own ego they'll block out everything you say.

For example, you could have just said "correlation doesn't equal causation." It gives the same info you stated without giving off a pretentious vibe, and is a concept people are familiar with.

You have to remember who your target audience is.

Aren't you a smart lad

For using literally the first thing they teach you in any logic course? Not really. If I was smart, I'd be able to remember more from that class than the first five minutes.

When I saw the title, my first thought was 'winrar?'

My shitty 2008 family IT guy installed a family license (or something, it's been a while) on our local server. I don't know why. He never told anyone it was on there and I only found it by poking around some weird files years later.

The whole server turned out to be a waste too. It was fairly useless and never got used.

Might be boring but it was relevant to what he linked.

Don't be sad, Mr. Timber

Aw man. Try to be chill and all I get is downvotes. I ain't mad or anything, I just had some cheese fries.

Have a good time (Have an upvote!)

Thanks man. Also, who is Mr. Timber?

That went over my head.

Stupid joke about your nickname

Ahh alright. Tis a silly name. Intended it to be a throw away but just kept using it.

if i would be one of the rich reddit dudes that gild comments that boring story would totally get it today just because it was so perfectly lame it was actually glorious. made my day for some reason that i can't explain

Thanks for the thought man. I can dish out these stories all morning. I haven't slept in a while and I have really important stuff to do soon so I've been up all night. I'm the perfect combination of tired and content to contribute boring comments all morning. Or at least until my important thing.

Edit: 11am west coast. Important thing starting.

Man, now I want some cheese fries.

Don't get them from Denny's. They weren't that good

Grab an upvote partner!

r/butthurtbros

I just took a dump at Denny's after eating cheese fries. My butt is a little hurt from the single ply.

lmao this made me laugh hard, thanks

I once paid for winrar, then I woke up screaming in terror.

That's a meme for people who don't know about 7zip.

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I don't get why anyone still uses winrar when 7zip exists.

I have just enough brand loyalty to keep using Winrar, but not enough to pay for it.

I have just enough brand loyalty laziness to keep using Winrar, but not enough to pay for it.

FTFY

Huh, that's surprisingly accurate.

I don't like the 7zip UI.

I've used 7zip for years and I don't think I've ever even seen the UI.

Just right click -> 7zip -> extract...

7zip doesn't properly handle all rar files. most yes, but not all.

I've literally never run into one, but even then the performance difference and wider file support makes it a better first choice.

I had my first compatability issue 2 days ago. After using both winrar and 7zip for many years i only installed 7zip on my last clean install. 2 days ago when extracting from multiple rar files it spat out an error which i thought was strange so i download winrar and to amaze it extracted it without a hitch i thought it was weird.

How old is it? the download page is kinda confusing, but the latest version is 16.03

By it im assuming ur referring too 7zip. Im on 16.02 i havent updated since i installed windows. I havent actually been to the website i installed it and winrar along with other programs via ninite.com since i reinstall often.

Everytime I do a fresh install I remember that people say 7zip is good and everytime within the first few days I run across a file that 7zip can't probably unpack so I switch pack to winrar

I wonder what sort of weird files you folks are running into because I've been using 7zip forever and never encountered such issues even once.

I think its mostly just compressed media files.

Interesting. Usually when I'm dealing with media I've been the one to compress it using 7zip.

Except they've literally got the actual source code from the real unrar utility in there...

The reason it doesn't make RARs is because of the license that comes with that official code...

Those pile of books icons in my context menus have been with me since my childhood. I'm way too attached by now.

I use Bandizip. It's free and I like the UI.

What's better about 7upzip?

Actually free and beats winrar in benchmarks by a lot.

Because Winrar does everything it's supposed to extremely well and doesn't need to be replaced?

7zip is far faster, which is important when dealing with large files, and is compatible with many more archive formats.

So, edge scenarios. The only edge scenario I care about is parchive, which neither supports.

Large files aren't an edge case, they're the primary reason I zip things.

For you. I use Usenet. The primary reason I rar and par things is to split them into manageable sizes for uploading and downloading across threads. Winrar handles the rar portion of that fantastically and makes it very easy. And I never have problems combining split rar archives, which is a problem that 7zip encounters

Because it looks like shit.

Inb4 downvotes.

what's usb overdrive do? sounds like a "speed up your computer with this fantastic app" kind of program....

The USB Overdrive is a device driver for macOS that handles any USB or Bluetooth mouse, keyboard, trackball, joystick, gamepad or gaming device from any manufacturer and lets you configure it either globally or on a per-application, per-device basis

http://www.usboverdrive.com/USBOverdrive/Information.html

Wait a minute here. This is the real piracy: You are supposed to use only Apple (TM) branded peripherals with a Mac. This should be clear.

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Psst. It was a joke.

Shh bby is ok

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This will be included in the next update, don't worry

Legal reasons? It's always legal reasons!

I heard on the new macbook they are removing USB and we have to buy a lightening-to-USB adapter or use new wireless USBs.

This would make someone pirating this pirate into some kind of hero.

ah ok cool.

Wait, you need extra software for third party peripherals on Mac osx?

Edit: you don't, only if you want to map keys differently.

You also need software on Windows to do USB controller mapping as well.

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Of course. I thought he meant that stuff isn't compatible, as in not working at all. On Windows I doesn't money on a profiler years ago for controllers. I can't even remember what it was called.

But you can still just plug in a mouse and keyboard and use it

Yes that's one of the biggest drawbacks of Mac OS is you can't plug any USB device in and have it work out of box.

It also sucks that MacOS still isn't compatible with the internet yet either, so you're basically stuck offline for good if you want Mac OS.

I've never used a mac, I just assumed it needed some sort of software for the drivers based on the description of the program.

No. Most USB stuff works out of the box in OS X.

This software isn't a driver, it's a device mapper for fine tuning controls.

you can get basic function out of anything USB... but on devices like mice with multiple buttons, not all buttons work, and you generally can't change their functions. This lets you do that.

This helps with things like game pad configuration.

This is advanced mapping software. You don't need extra software to use third party mice and keyboards. This is about adding a layer to mapping the buttons to whatever you want them to be on a system wide or per app basis.

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I've never needed a driver for anything on my mac. Everything I have used is plug and play or connect and play through Bluetooth. Anyone have examples of things that wouldn't work immediately?

This is mainly for controller mappings, i.e. Xbox controller

You need a driver for most gaming peripherals including mice or else they'll behave poorly. My guess is some of them just don't include drivers for mac or didn't code them very well. It's not really Apple's fault.

It's not so much that things don't work immediately, it's that you may not be able to customize the options how you like.

I see.

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I've yet to come across a mouse that doesn't just work, both USB and BT, and I've had Macs for the past 10 years. There are models with known compatibility issues, but it's not exactly common.

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That's a setting in preferences

Never have I had an issue with mice or keyboards. Not even my midi keyboard.

...you do know its the same on windows right? for example a controller: first the driver for it, and then a new application to edit the buttons if you so desire, same thing here.

Fuck my asshole Steve!

Everyone, all together now!

Apple's built-in drivers use undocumented private APIs to forward multitouch gestures to the OS. I've been talking to Apple for a long time about this, but it looks like multitouch event generation is not going to be available to 3rd parties anytime soon. Since multitouch gestures are more important than any other additional setting, the USB Overdrive is now leaving all Apple devices alone and no longer tries to handle them in any way.

Hmm, this guy could get in contact with the dev of BetterTouchTool since BTT can customize touch events on almost all devices.

Pretty sure that the BTT guy wouldn't tell him because they are more or less direct competitors.

I just started using it recently.

macOS 10.12 totally messed with how my mouse's scroll wheel worked. No longer did "1 click = 1 line" with the wheel, but instead it has some weird inertia scrolling. Small movements don't even register. Big movements jump the page down too far. There is no in-between.

Logitech released new drivers to fix this, but I'm using an HP mouse.

USB Overdrive was recommended as a fix.

I installed it, it worked perfectly. I then paid for it.

I've been using it for a long time. As a PC user coming to OSX, it's undespensible. Specifically because it allows you to tweak the terrible mouse acceleration that OSX has set default. Without USB Overdrive, using a mouse with OSX feels like wearing an oven mitt to me. Everything just feels sluggish and it's really hard to use.

It's a program that lets you map extra buttons on keyboards and mice to key commands. I use it on my Mac to map buttons on my mouse to switch workspaces; it works wonderfully.

it extracts the viruses from your computer and blows them up in a digital detonation site

it helps people with macs that wish they had a pc. lets them use regular usb devices that don't have the apple logo on them.

Wut? I've never had issues using non-Apple devices with my Macbook. Standards exist for a reason.

whether you know the limitations that mac has put on your device isn't relevant.

plenty of third party devices will not work with your mac, thanks to that clean aesthetic you paid so much for.

This is a really stupid joke.

Or you don't know anything about Macs.

i know they are a huge waste of money. you bought one to help you edit your vlog/album but you never got around to making one and you just use it for facebook and youtube.

I've been a PC user for the past 12 years. I use it to code, edit movies, photoshop and various other stuff. Got a Macbook pro a few months ago and it is literally the best computer experience I've ever had. There is no lag opening or closing or using software. It's a beautiful looking machine and is very lightweight and powerful. It was also cheaper than an equivalent specd laptop not to mention lighter and a better screen. Don't knock it till you try it.

I got a Mac in 08 as a laptop for college. It worked fine. The Mac OS is designed for morons and lacks any depth. It was a decent laptop that just wasn't compatible with far too many programs that I wanted to use.

Also, get back to me in four years when your Mac is getting slow and you can't fix it or upgrade it.

That's the plan though. Get you to buy a new one every few years.

I'm a video editor working in Hollywood. I've been using Macs for my work for almost 15 years. It's practically an industry standard.

And yet... I've never bought a Mac Desktop for home, because I'm not a fool and realize how cheap it is to build your own PC. I built a hackintosh as soon as Apple switched to Intel 10 years ago.

How about you make less assumptions dumbass.

How about you quit pretending to be older than you are stingray88.

nobody is impressed by your fake internet persona.

Nice, more bullshit assumptions!

I'm not pretending about anything, I'm exactly who I say I am. Let me guess, you think I was born in 1988? Yeah... you wouldn't be the first person to make that incorrect assumption. I've also had people accuse me of being a white supremacist, because 88 is apparently a number they use a lot.

It's weird how strings of numbers can mean a whole lot of different things huh? Or you know... they might mean literally nothing at all. Kind of like now.

Yeah thanks for the explanation. Totally believe you are a Hollywood editor now.

Just say it's when you graduated highschool. Or a sports thing.

Well I guess you need to get back to editing in Hollywood now.

It's literally nothing. Just a number out of my ass many years ago. Stingray I did get from something though... that's my favorite car, Corvette Stingray.

It's hilarious that you think being an editor in Hollywood is such an unbelievable thing. There's literally hundreds of thousands of us. Just go through my comment history if you don't believe me, I've talked about my work tons of times over the last 8 years I've been on Reddit. That'd be quite a fucking long con for me to do that for 8 years just to lie to you in this comment thread. There's no reason to lie about something like that... that'd be stupid.

Go ahead, don't believe me... doesn't change the truth. And it definitely doesn't make you any less of an asshole.

You are just a long winded comment on Reddit. what or who you are doesn't matter to me now any more than it did yesterday.

Oh really? It seems to matter to you quite a bit since you are still replying to me. If you really didn't care, you would have stopped after the first reply.

Oh yeah? Well arnt you smart.

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Eh, you're probably straining your pc a lot more than her laptop though. My old Asus laptop (not a gaming model) from '09 still runs perfectly for browsing, photoshop, and other media. If I tried heavy gaming with it, it'll probably break in a week.

It comes down to what she needs it to do. Prob Facebook and email.

Her 7 year old Mac is 7 years out of date. The hardware is old and you can't just grab another 8gb of ram for 20$ and have it last another four years ( like I did with my parents laptop that was running on 1gb)

It's fine if you want a Mac. It's for people who don't need much and who don't really care/understand what's under the hood.

For the record. My parents old laptop is still checking emails and updating Facebook posts and it's from 2007. Only a 20$ ram upgrade about a year ago. So your macs last longer argument doesn't hold water.

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Clearly coming from and idiot. Go ahead buddy... Tell what kind of weird software you have to install to get an Xbox controller on a PC to work like a mouse. This is mapping softwar not USB drivers.

Remote Buddy is also a great piece of software.

You know, macOS has its flaws, but it's a killer OS. Unfortunately most people who rip on it do so for reasons they don't understand. Windows ONLY reason for use in my house is to play the games from the market they monopolized. It's the only reason they are relevant and they know it.

This is nice.

Everyone seems to hate pirates but if you offer demos like this, your software will grow. I read somewhere FL Studio and Photoshop are (partially) only so big because of how easy they were to pirate.

AFAIK Adobe doesn't really care if you pirate photoshop. Hell, you can get CS2 by literally just creating an account on their site. It's because their primary market aren't high school/college students looking to have some fun or do a small project on their personal laptops.

They make their money by selling hundreds of licenses at a time to businesses and schools. Afterall, if the kid that played with photoshop growing up ends up in graphic design, they're already use to using photoshop and will likely prefer that software over others when they become a professional.

My theory is that the subscription model is partially intended to enable small guys. They can use pirated software most of the time, and if they get a gig they can just pay the subscription for that period of time, rather than shelling out hundreds of dollars.

If you want to capture home users make it easier to buy than pirate. And it works. I don't mind paying a 5 dollar a month thing one or two months of the year that I may need it vs hunting it down and cracking it.

Afterall, if the kid that played with photoshop growing up ends up in graphic design, they're already use to using photoshop and will likely prefer that software over others when they become a professional.

This is how they became an industry standard and that's what FL Studio did too.

I don't think this is true, I can't remember who or where but a company just had all of their PC's raided because they were using a personal use license for Adobe across all their PC's.

I meant that they don't care if individuals pirate Photoshop. For a good year and a half, they had a download link for the entirety of CS2 if you signed into an adobe account... or signed up for an adobe account. It was because they stopped providing providing support for it (if you lost or damaged your original CS2) so they just gave it. For free. It's why they're an industry standard: because it's so easy to pirate and use for individuals.

And, because they're an industry standard, they crack down hard on businesses that illegally use their software. Because that's where their main source of profit comes from.

Finally someone who understands this. The amount of times I've had to tell people that Adobe isn't gonna go bankrupt because people pirate photoshop.

I can get Photoshop CS2 for free?

Yes. Keep in mind cs2 came out in 2005, so it's over 11 years old now and not hugely feature-packed compared to now.

Yeah that's fine I guess. I learned photoshop around that time. All I need is some basic editing.

Keep in mind it's still illegal if you don't have a license, it's only that they give you the installer and serial number.

FL is free though (afaik) but yeah more companies doing demos to a) see if the software works on the system and b) if the person likes it.

i got a story about a, i bought portal 2 when it came out, my laptop at the time couldnt run it, if there was a demo or a benchmarking tool i could have used i would have (at the time) saved money

FL is free in the sense that you can download and try it out. You can save your work, you just can't load your work back into FL afterwards until you purchase it and every plugin you used to make that project.

The electronic music industry has a lot to thank FL for. I know people who are doing really well and they started on pirated FL. Even Martin Garrix uses pirated FL. When I have the money I'm definitely going to buy it - I don't have a choice ethically. Without it I'd be in a worse place in life, music and the ease it took me to get that software: that saved my life! You can't put a price on that.

I thought most of them used ableton?

A lot of them do. There are still many artists who use FL. Most premium DAW's can basically achieve the same results, it just comes down to workflow preference.

That and GUI. FL has a much more user friendly look than ableton (or at least it did the last time I checked)

I've had it downloaded for 2 years now. every time I open it up I just stare at it then close it again. I have no idea how to use it and only got it cause I thought maybe one day I'll make that song

you can't just open it and write a song, you have to mess with some of the presets, play around with some of the instruments, before you can do anything like that. I don't write music most of the time i'm in FL, i'm just playing around with different synths, leads, and organs. It's very fun to make little tunes, even if they never become something greater.

Y'all need to hit up /r/edmproduction

Really depends on what you started off with. For me Ableton is super intuitive and FL is a complete mess. It's just my personal opinion though and everyone should use what they like best.

You'd be surprised. I can try and put together a list of you want. Ableton is strong af, but once you've put 10 years into a DAW there isn't much point in swapping over.

Pretty much everyone who doesn't make annoying dubstep remixes to popular songs uses Ableton. It's the difference between people like Daft Punk and say...Skrillex.

You can dislike his music as much as you like, but are you really claiming Skrillex isn't skilled at what he does?

Did I say that?

Not just electronic. Producers in hip hop use it as well. 9th Wonder being the most prominent, but there are plenty of others too.

I dont have the money for fl studio too. I use it for 8 years now.. If i would make money with music, let it be 1000 Euro, i would buy all the Synthesizer and fl studio. But for now, it would be just too damn expensive. I know there are free Synthesizer but the ones i love to use and am used to, are all also about 200-400 Dollar. Thats just too much for me as an ongoing college Student. (at least college in germany so no TOO high Student debts.)

I never actually condemned anyone for pirating... just helping him know exactly what the free version was like. :)

An 8 year demo is a hell of a demo.

Ever pay for WinZip?

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I've never used winzip.

Yep. I'm 90% sure adobe does it on purpose. I've been using a pirated version of Photoshop since 2000. In all that time, it seems it's never gotten any harder to crack. But it makes sense of you think about.

By making their software so readily available, it's become the standard. Who hasn't used it in some form? Then all those kids who go to design school are already familiar with it. I'm sure adobe sells a decent amount of their products to random people, but they really make their money on the professionals and businesses who have to buy their software.

And depending on how cynical you are, it also keeps the competition down without having to compete on price at the consumer end of the market (although they do have elements which fulfils that role as well).

True. If the other guy has a decent product but impossible to pirate, it probably dies. Makes sense.

I was thinking more along the lines of, if a competitor comes along and markets a Photoshop-like product, but at, say, a $2-300 price point then that could be attractive to a lot of people. But maybe not as attractive as a very-easy-to-pirate copy of Photoshop. So by turning a blind eye (effectively) to this piracy, they can stop this competitor getting traction whilst still maintaining a high price for the full product, which most reputable companies will pay. This is one reason why you often see products with a very high price for the "pro" users (another example might be development tools like MS Visual Studio) with very cheap (or even free) options for non-pro users (e.g. Visual studio community, photoshop elements). They can preserve their pro market share and, at the same time, keep competition in check.

They offer discounts to students and schools to get you used to using these costly products early on. It's harder to change once you've been working in (Office, photoshop, Windows, etc) for years.

8 year demo lol

I remember photoshop was expensive as fuck when i was younger, so I'm like no way I'm paying for this only for it to be outdated in 2 years. Now, they have a subscription based payment ($10/month) and i'd gladly pay for it. Same for microsoft office

It's quite well known that engineering software companies do it too. Engineering software like AutoCad, Abaqus, Solidworks etc are WAY too expensive for the common man to buy. So they allow pirated versions of their software on the internet so college students and independent users can use it. Once they're popular enough companies are forced to buy licenses for it because all of their employees are trained and experienced on it. It's actually an amazing strategy.

I remember the developers of This War of Mine being cool with pirates and even handing out legit codes for the game in the comment section on KAR and TPB. Hearing about that made me take a look at the game, which made me purchase what eventually became my favourite video game.

I genuinely just pirate games for a demo of them, especially because my computer can't run some games for some reason.

I thought it was a touch too expensive. I waited for a sale and bought it. Good game..

So you need a personalized message to know that people's livelihood come from the products they make?

It might not seem like a big deal to sample the grapes at the grocery store, but if it was a small independent grocery store and they had a heartfelt handwritten sign next to the grapes begging you not to you might think differently.

Or you could just not steal things? People are employed by non small independent grocery stores. Your distinction is irrelevant.

My point isn't about whether it's wrong, it's a question of whether it makes people feel bad.

People feel more viceral empathy for a limping puppy standing right in front of them making pitiful whining yelps than they do for a starving child in Africa who walks in pain because their broken foot never received medical attention.

Basically the closer a person gets to someone, the more empathy they will feel. The fact that it's a small independent store removes the 'faceless' impression people get from a corporate store. The fact that there's a note forces them to acknowledge that someone cares about what they're doing. The fact that it's hand written lets the thief know that someone has actually sat down and taken the time to make the individual sign, imagining someone writing the sign causes them to imagine themselves doing the same thing, greatly increasing their empathy for the person writing the sign. Placing themselves in the position of the sign writer they will be thinking, deliberately or not, about how that person must have felt, what their motivations must have been.

At that point they are feeling a visceral sense of empathy. They feel the emotions of the store owner. In a large store they likely just think of themself as a statistic. Like "sure, I'll eat this grape it's what, like 0.1% of the money I'm about to spend? Who cares?". Without any connections to a specific person they can empathise with they might feel like it's morally wrong, but they won't be feeling empathy.

a limping puppy standing right in front of them

Li'l Brudder can make it on his own.

So you agree that it's a problem of remorselss, shitty thieves with misplaced empathy rather than of right or wrong?

I wouldn't phrase it like that, I would say the problem is petty theives with an unearned sense of entitlement and poor moral character.

It isn't a matter of the empathy being misplaced, if a person is raised to have a strong moral compass they will feel bad for doing the wrong thing without having to imagine the specific person they are hurting, since the idea of 'stealing' is linked in their mind to memories of their parents disapproval, fables they were read as children, empathy which their parents walked them through ("How would YOU feel if Sally stole YOUR candy bar?").

Stealing, in the examples given, is definitely wrong, but for people without a strong sense of morals they can easily talk themselves into taking an immoral action if they are not confronted with the harm they are doing. In such a case they're not misplacing their empathy, they just aren't applying it to the situation at all.

Once they have taken that immoral action they are unlikely to rethink the situation unless they are confronted by something which forces them to do so. People will go to enormous lengths to avoid seeing themself as the 'bad guy', to the point of cognitive dissonance where people can hold two or more completely contradictory ideas simultaneously. Your psychology will compartmentalise these ideas and make is almost impossible to realise the conflict exists unless someone else points it out to you, or something happens which forces you to re-evaluate. Eg. Stealing is wrong, people who steal from me are evil; it's alright when I steal things since it benefits me a lot and only hurts others a little.

If the second idea were extended to everyone then it would be right for others to steal from you, so long as they were going to enjoy it more than you. If you had a two TV's and someone with no TV's came and stole one they would be, following that logic, right to do so since their enjoyment of them having the TV would outweigh the harm of you not having a second one. Obviously this is idea is flawed, but someone with cognitive dissonance wouldn't think to apply it to someone else unless you walked them through it.

piracy is not theft

Please explain

Theft requires that you take something without permission and in doing so deprive the owner of the use or possession of that thing.

For example, if you steal a DVD, that's theft. If you sneak into a movie theatre, that's trespassing, not theft, since you haven't actually taken a thing and deprived the owner from possessing it. If you download a movie, you're committing copyright infringement, since you are making an unauthorised copy of the movie, but in doing so you are not preventing the rightful owner from possessing it.

For another example, if you physically stole your classmate's assignment and handed it in, that would be theft, but if you copied it, that would be plagiarism.

You might colloquially say that someone 'stole' your idea, but, assuming you had a patent, legally what they've done isn't stealing your idea, but infringing on your patent.

It comes down to conversational language verses legal definitions. If you want to make a serious argument you should use the correct terminology, or define your terms before you start, otherwise your argument will be unclear.

It's fine to say that you have 'used up your bandwidth' by downloading too many torrents, but if you are describing something technical you have to remember than 'bandwidth' technically describes your connection speed and not your data limit.

I'm not depriving them of grapes.

Nice try usboverdrive dev

I wish I was the developer. I'm just a common thief.

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You went in with intentions to steal the developer's application, but the developer ended up stealing your heart.

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A HEART!?

Coming this winter.....

Developing a Heart

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I buy things too when there is a sensible call to humanity, instead of aggressive punishment which is really a call to rebellion.

So you'll only do the right thing if the person you screw over rolls over and accepts it instead of fights back?

Yes, because the joke's on them; I get off on cat-and-mouse games.

Didn't say that. Some things I just don't buy no matter what. But if I get a sense of liking the devs personality and method, I may buy the software anyway on principle. As a reward for their smart approach. Vote with your dollars.

Paying them after the fact is not voting with your money.

Paying at any time is voting with your money, because it is feedback that reinforces what made them earn that money.

You shoplift too?

call to ... aggressive punishment

How often this happens?

If you haven't noticed, pirates get threatened with jail time. That seems pretty aggressive to me.

Laws are not direct attack against you. You should be able to think about for the second and get over that call to rebel. Pretty silly to assume devs are threatening you by default.

Never said it was a direct attack, any more than it would happen to any other pirate. But either way the fact still stands that its a threat once a pirate invokes said threat.

People with common sense shouldn't feel or face that threat. The fact that every developer should start including this messages is just absurd.

The baseline is that you give something you get something. How do you end up outside of that?

  1. It's not absurd, it's smart. It worked for this guy didn't it?
  2. I said before, I buy software I like. But sometimes I want to try it beyond what is usually a crippling demo. Having that message is a gentle reminder to still buy it without being an aggressive asshole about it, which make me rebel on principle.
  3. Do you know where you are? This is r/piracy. And I'm even trying to make a sensible argument instead of just "omg free stuff for lyfe lolz111"

I overestimated your argument. I had impression that you pirate stuff because it is against the law.

Just so I am getting it correctly: You bought it with a legitimate code, and it's still giving you the pirate message, and that's what's funny?

That was my first reading of it, but I think he meant the message talked him into buying it.

Oh, I see.

That's what I thought first too, then I realized he was saying the message guilted him into buying it.

that's 8 years you could have been helping him feed and raise his kids, you piece of shit

If there had been enough food to go around, the oldest one would have been 12 years old now.

that guy is clearly taking a page from his mother's passive-aggressive playbook

He's not mad, just disappointed.

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Sadly, time spent modding isn't considered to have any value.

Remember that massive outrage a few months ago when Steam tried to roll out paid mods?

The sense of entitlement many people seem to have is astonishing.

The issue IMO was not that people did not want to pay for mods, the issue was that the mods in general were not high quality full conversion mods. Most of them were simply skins. They needed to delay launching that system and actually have the paid mods be very few and high quality.

Eh if they want that they should have let the developer put their name on it and sell it as DLC. Steam is already bad enough with all of the drivel lining its shelves from green light. The mods would be even more of a minefield.

It's also entitled to expect the market to support a bad idea. Valve's implementation of paid mods failed because because of a lot more than people just wanting free shit.

I don't even have a mac, and I want to buy it :c

fuck off retard macs are for retards like you

I didn't mean I wanted to buy a mac, but that I was willing to buy that USB software.

why the fuck would you buy software

Because some of us like to support small devs that make stuff that makes our day easier in some way?

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It's fantastic for development, and not being a pile of shit.

You are the most boring kind of troll. Have an upvote.

Alot of judgemental people for a piracy subreddit.

It's in r/all so a lot of non subscribers (i.e. non pirates) are here in the thread commenting, upvoting other non pirates, and downvoting the pirates.

There are many anti-piracy people who sub to discuss piracy. It's kind of refreshing honestly because most subreddits are circle jerks but not this one so much.

Right? A whole lotta white knights on here.

Gives Apple extra $100s for overpriced hardware, cannot afford apps for a few dollars.

Who says he is using apple hardware. Even if he does, he could've gotten it used.

He has an Apple Mac?

First mistake, bought a mac.

Says the person that's never used OS X.

My gf has a mac. Id rather end my life. K thx bye

You don't have a gf, who are you kidding?

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That's the same reason I ended up buying a license for DisplayFusion

I bought a DisplayFusion licence because it was 75% off during the steam summer sale.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be 100% with windows 10, every time I change the monitor configuration it arranges the screens incorrectly. :(

The 10 anniversary update finally broke mine. :( I guess it's kinda redundant with Win 10 though, the features I use are built in now.

To be fair, people who work at Microsoft et al have kids, too. The larger companies can absorb piracy a little easier, but that money still ultimately goes to put food on the table for families.

If there is a way that I can send fund to MS devs directly, I'd be glad to contribute. What I hate to see is the money wasted on their marketing and mgmt layer which more than often caused below average outcomes.

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7z ffs!

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What plebs don't have both 7z and WinRAR?

I, too, occasionally buy software...

does this soup up your usb?

More like just generally allows you to use and tweak many USB devices that normally wouldn't work on Mac.

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Yeah I bought the shit out of the first two witcher games. Never played it though.

Back in the days of pre-subscription malwarebytes, the same thing happened to me. I bought the software within a month because I was pretty impressed by their code of ethics and decided I wanted to support them.

I did this with FL Studio. I used to pirate it and decided to finally buy it and go legit with the software I used to make music. Although fake drums still sound fake (even with good software like Superior Drummer), I feel better using it.

Their "free upgrades" license on the download version made the decision to buy it a lot easier for me.

I bought the physical box and still got the free upgrades, though I took a break between version 10 and just came back version 12. I prefer version 9 because copying and pasting was much easier then.

I don't do a lot more than make noise with it. I took a synth class in high school and for my 40th birthday a couple years back decided to pick one up just to play with again (I got a little Axiom and a cheap Casio 49 key I plug in). I love messing with sound, even if I never actually do record anything.

And for that type of casual usage, their "free upgrades" thing is awesome. Makes me feel better about spending the money on my "toy".

I remember reading something about projects being exportable between the computer and iPad version, but haven't checked into it. It'd be nice to work on drum parts, at least the MIDI portion of it, away from my computer.

FL mobile is pretty cool. I checked it out on my phone, but it's too small a screen to be useful there. An iPad or something would be really nice to use for it though. Worth the $20 they wanted (that's what it was last time I looked, anyway).

Ah yes, the ol' "I'm not mad at you, I'm just disappointed."

Mom guilt runs deep.

Software is the one thing I always buy, especially from the small developers.

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My favorite part of this is being forced to click "Ooops".

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Buying this.

I do not understand what does that do what he bought? Anything special?

Right in the feels man. I'm tempted to buy this software even though I don't know what it does and likely don't have a use for it.

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Oh no I just restarted my mac and it reminded me again. FeelsBadMan

any summary of what this is for the non computer literate? lol

We all pirate software. At least these guys are cool about it.

My biggest fuckup was back in 2001 when I took a class about drafting electronic components. Everything was on autocad 2000. So I passed around a pirate version to everyone in the room so we could do our work at home. Teacher busted me telling me that copy was stupid expensive and that auto desk pursues piracy super hard and I would be liable for every copy I made plus any I had and the one I stole. Awesome.

I'm doing the same thing with SPSS 24.

Taking stats this semester?

Teaching it.

You are the devil.

Indeed.

You just start teaching? Working for a university is the best atmosphere I've ever been in. For some reason stats is easily the most bitched about class I've ever seen. It's really not that bad

Yes. I taught stats over the summer and now they wanted me for the main semester. I only teach in the evenings.

Wow, I got that message in 2000 on MacOS 9 :)

I know nothing about pirating and am generally uninterested in the politics/ethics that undergird pirating. However, I do have a question as it relates to this post.

And this is not to troll and I apologize if I am not following sub rules.

However, what is it about this message that compels you to purchase software you have been pirating for 8 years?

Damn. Made me a little emotional there.

Yes, i feel like had i stumbled upon that message id have bought it too. But once people caught on and started making these messages mainstream, i and many others would ignore it. Because thats what humans do. We become desensitized. Like toward photos of starving children. Its shocking yeah, then you run across another photo and youre like "oh look, another starving child"

Where are the cat pics?!

That's why you don't use a mac.

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I don't even own a Mac but I might just buy this to support such an awesome attitude.

I don't need this software and I love piracy however I just want to support this developer

Is that guy a relative of the Nobel prize Rita Levi Montalcini?

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corporate big-wigs bought a award winning writer for this. It payed off.

I don't even know what this software is but now I want to pay for it.

Does it work with wired Xbox 360 controllers too?

Why were you pirating it for 8 years?

I don't even know this app and I want to buy it.

iv been using mIRC for almost 20 years i only just bought a registration last year

What does USB Overdrive do?

It's software used for custom keymaps for game controllers, joysticks, mice, keyboards, etc.

Thanks

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I didn't realize piracy was so frequent on apple OS to warrant such a message

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I had the same message when i installed Matlab

Congrats. It took a heartfelt message from the developer to convince you to buy something that you had been using for years for free.

Softwares that are polite about me not buying it, are the exact ones I pay for later in life.

Sounds like someone is using a weak key algorithm. What was your key, 1234-56789-1234?

I just bought one I've been pirating since the late 90s. Feels good.

The dev must be on reddit. Comon reddit we can do it!!!!

I bought it too about a year ago lol.. that message is quite effective.

What software is this?

It literally says USB overdrive in the screenshot.

...what, what does that mean though?

It means you should google it yourself, instead of waiting around for hours to maybe get an answer.

I just bought this software because of this message. I own a PC...

CMD SHIFT 4, then the space bar, then click on the window. You get a cleaner screenshot.

right in the feels man.

I dont know what this software does but Im buying it.

Somebody build this guy a statue!

$20.00???? You Mac folks are supposed to be "Respectable" and shit!!! If you could afford over 900.00 on a damn Mac then pay that man his $20.00. For what that program offers you should feel bad.

Piracy isn't always about money. People pirate for different reasons.

FUCK PAYWALLS DUDE

Edit: /s

Well I like this post.

I've never used this product but 'hats off' to the devs. They've got a sense of humour. I'll be looking for USB Overdrive in the near future and I'll buy it.

I don't even know what 'USB overdrive' is, but I feel like buying it now out of guilt.

So only once someone confronts you about your thievery do you feel guilty enough to pay them for their product?

Wow, good for you, have a pat on the back for being a decent person for once in the last 8 years.

And you fell for the sob story.

One-time hardcore pirate here - cases like this are why I changed my ways. As long as I can directly pay the content producers - whether it be music, movies, software, etc., I always pay for it.

My only gripes are when the filter between my money, and the people that made the product, are so dilluted and convoluted, its impossible to tell where its even going. I truly believe that's what made piracy to huge to begin with.

And here I thought that piracy became huge because people love free shit

that's why most people pirate shit. lots of them like to pretend it's for other reasons but in the end it's because free shit is nice

I pirate because I'm a student and I have so little income, if I bought software I woundent even have a computer. I don't hope to be in this situation forever but that's just the way it is for a lot of people.

You will spend hundreds of dollars extra for a Mac but wouldn't pony up $20 for software that made is more usable?

He spent that extra money on the Mac.

Isn't the point of the post that the guy who bought this got a code that didn't work cause it was used by pirates?

Yea the attitude the guy takes on piracy is nice.

No, the pirate code still works, it just shows this little message also.

Oh thanks for clarifying.

I think it means that he updated his software and when he did he got this message so he bought it because he felt bad.

I've been pirating for 8 years and I just figured out that people actually need payment in order to provide service

How do you people shove your heads that far up your asses?

Word cloud out of all the comments.

Bot for a programming class project that has gone longer than expected because folks seem to like it

Unfortunately.

I hate the damned things leaving their bot-shit all over.

So you were pirating a $20 piece of software for 8 years. You really couldn't afford paying $20?

Suddenly piracy is only ever about money? A lot of people pirate for different reasons.

lol its always has been and always will be all about money for 99% of pirates.

You entered a known pirate code.

No big deal.

And at this exact moment you 100% know that you're never going to buy that software.

Holy fuck... I'm a 6'5" 280lb brick shithouse of a man with a beard that could make Paul Bunyan's look like peach fuzz. I work in construction and learned to appreciate a hard day's work from a young age, typically the hard way. Needless to say, it takes a LOT to shake me. But when I saw this... I choked up immediately. Just.... holy fuck. Manly tears were shed.

This is cancer.

I thought you were an engineer?

I'll take this to /r/mildlyinteresting

r/uninteresting

GOG turns away a lot of developers, they're not exactly looking out for the little guys.

Fuck GOG, they don't even have a plan for releasing a Linux client.

wouldnt be suprised if GOG games are the ones that hit pirate bay the most

I didn't say you had to do anything. Apparently you're dumb and a dick.

Nah far too aggressive to be Ken M.

What is GOG?

USB Overdrive is a really great piece of software. My only complaint is that $20 feels pretty steep for what you're getting. I would happily drop $5-10 on it, but for $20 I'm okay with just using the trial version unfortunately.

You have to be pretty screwed up in the head to have that sort of logic, it's literally something a sociopath would say: "I have no moral dilemma committing a crime and wronging another person unless they beg for me to do the thing I'm supposed to do in the first place, then I might take pity on them".

After 8 years using it, I think it's not bad.

Y

I don't understand why you have so many upvotes. The fact that the other software you use does not splash touchy-feely messages begging you not to pirate does not give you a carte blanche to pirate.

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GoG is awesome. Witcher 3 is worth every cent. DRM free is always better.

I would love to buy from GOG but they like to be content gatekeepers so a lot of what I want isn't there. I prefer Steams approach of letting damn near anything on and letting us rate them into oblivion if they are shit.

Or you could just not steal things? People are employed by non small independent grocery stores. Your distinction is irrelevant.

I've never used winzip.

Do you drink beer?

as someone who has never felt like he needs it or knows what it does and doesnt want to google it for himself, (but is happy to ask what it does which is theoretically a longer process to do for you and me) can you tell me what its for?

Actually free and beats winrar in benchmarks by a lot.

Sadly, time spent modding isn't considered to have any value.

Remember that massive outrage a few months ago when Steam tried to roll out paid mods?

The sense of entitlement many people seem to have is astonishing.

Have a good time (Have an upvote!)

Grab an upvote partner!

if i would be one of the rich reddit dudes that gild comments that boring story would totally get it today just because it was so perfectly lame it was actually glorious. made my day for some reason that i can't explain

Piracy isn't always about money. People pirate for different reasons.

I'm vehemently anti-pirating, but I have this same complaint with a number of utility-style programs (Stardock Fences comes to mind, though I haven't needed that in a long time). I very clearly remember thinking "I'd drop $5 on this in a heartbeat, and probably $10 after some hesitation, but at $20 you've lost me as a customer."

Honestly as a dev you need to realize fighting pirates is futile. I guess there's at least a way to get people like you.

I just saw my typo, too funny to be fixed.

Eh if they want that they should have let the developer put their name on it and sell it as DLC. Steam is already bad enough with all of the drivel lining its shelves from green light. The mods would be even more of a minefield.

Bingo

It means you should google it yourself, instead of waiting around for hours to maybe get an answer.

Man, now I want some cheese fries.

I've used 7zip for years and I don't think I've ever even seen the UI.

Just right click -> 7zip -> extract...

It comes down to what she needs it to do. Prob Facebook and email.

Her 7 year old Mac is 7 years out of date. The hardware is old and you can't just grab another 8gb of ram for 20$ and have it last another four years ( like I did with my parents laptop that was running on 1gb)

It's fine if you want a Mac. It's for people who don't need much and who don't really care/understand what's under the hood.

For the record. My parents old laptop is still checking emails and updating Facebook posts and it's from 2007. Only a 20$ ram upgrade about a year ago. So your macs last longer argument doesn't hold water.

Eh, you're probably straining your pc a lot more than her laptop though. My old Asus laptop (not a gaming model) from '09 still runs perfectly for browsing, photoshop, and other media. If I tried heavy gaming with it, it'll probably break in a week.

Don't get them from Denny's. They weren't that good

Most people who use reddit are knowledgeable or have common sense, something that a minority of customers have. The mindsets business cater to are the majority of the target audience.