College Textbooks :(

8872  2017-08-08 by CuriousNoobKid

376 comments

ARRR!

You think your books are expensive? Wait until you realize the price of tuition.

Unless you go to georgia. We got hope scholarship and zell miller. With my max pell grant due to being the extra poor I was being paid to go to college 11k a year.

We have a similar deal in Washington state. Incredibly generous in-state grants will allow me to get through my first year without too many worries.

Lucky birdy!

Wish the rest of the country would use it. Lottery funded finanical aid is the bomb.

Hope scholarship only gave me $1800 a semester or something like that.

Here it covers 15 credit hours anywhere except private institutions.

Pirat books. You would have more money left for the tuition

Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible to pirate that one :/

I've tried, and I can confirm it is impossible. However, you can buy a degree from a diploma mill.

And then de-DRM it and refund it

Amen.

when the fuck did anyone ever say that?

Literally pirated every college textbook i could when i was in college. If it wasnt available in the databases i searched in. Bought the book on amazon, de-drm, ask for a refund.

Can get the part that you buy a book and after you ask for refund?

I even borrowed a bunch from the library and scanned them to neat PDFs. Lots of work but I got it done.

When a book went out of print I destroyed my copy to scan it for myself and everyone else.

You are a beautiful human being

So how does one remove drm from Amazon books?

What's drm?

You’re lucky someone got you a link... next time type that question in the search bar above

you sound like a fun person

You sound like a fun person

you have terrible perception I assure you

You sound like a fun person

Everyone on Reddit is a bot except for you.

Put all my points into CHA like always, baby.

Dumb retarded motherfucker? Woulda thought you'd have known that one.

Wow. Okay. Calm down a little bit.

Wow. Someone asks a question on the internet and no one wants to be a helper. Mr. Rodgers would be sad to see this thread.

I don't know why you got downvoted for asking a simple question. Some people are newbs, it's to be expected.

Because it’s a question simple enough for google to answer without everyone else repeating themselves

Calibre has a plugin that allows you to remove drm this link explains it better then me.

Failing that... Get a 7 day free trial of the textbook from Amazon... Screenshot the pages you need.

You can also strip amazon drm with the calibre plugin. Handy when you want to "rent" and keep the book you rent from Amazon.

I remember reading a comment from a user here that pretty much automated this process using a combination of Photoshop, nitroPDF, and autohotkey.

!remindme 1 year 11 months

You can't do it as much now. Many textbooks come with a CD key that's required to access content. Some professors shared it online, some didn't. I'd download all the .pdfs I could and then wait and see if I needed to buy the bullshit CD key.

I remember one time their CD key was attached with some sticky pull tab bullshit. I tore it off and the key was not legible at all. I spent the entire day talking to clowns at that company until someone finally gave me a new key. Their solution was for me to buy another $150 dollar key. Textbooks are a joke.

This is why I didnt bat an eye when I pirated every single textbook in college. It was around the time that shit started being a thing. Classes that needed the online resource I just lied and said I had it, and we never once actually needed to use the website.

Lucky. Ours all needed the website because we had to submit a lot of work through it. And you couldn't share either, since you had to register with a unique code.

That kind of bullshit should be illegal. There is zero reason the textbook manufacturer needs to charge hundreds of dollars to register an account for their shitty website, aside from extorting students and forcing them to buy brand new textbooks...

The account should be free with the textbook containing all needed material, but that would make sense and god knows we cant have that in this day and age.

The account should be free with the textbook containing all needed material

Well, I mean, technically it was I guess.

But each textbook came with a unique code in the cover that we had to register with. So you had to buy the book in order to get the code.

does this shit happen in any other countries? or its just good ol' usa and its free (lol) market?

Plenty of other countries require online submissions of homework.

yeah but do they also have this cartel of publishers and colleges ripping students off?

Same here. I pirated all but 3 textbooks my entire time in college. It is pathetic how much they cost and how little time/material is covered from them.

I always feel so sad when I go into the college book store to buy some pencils or some shit on the first day and I see a massive long line with like 100 people winding around the store with people holding stacks of books. I just dont get how so many people can be so ignorant with their money. Im not even talking about piracy. They could still probably save 40-50% if they just rented their shit on amazon.

I know some people would go to the library, borrow the textbooks, and each scan a bit. A 3-hour "short loan" is a lot when 5 people work together.

Granted, it may not be the case that every university keeps a few copies of every textbook for every course.

At this point they are just making deals with professors and colleges to corner markets and printing money with the knowledge of the pay that got for much less.

It should be a damn crime to lock knowledge behind a paywall.

Luckily at my uni the only classes that used those cd keys were the gen ed courses. Once I made it into my major no one did any of that shit.

Wait hold up. I didn't go to university that long ago (finished in 2011) but at least then the exorbitant textbook prices were for paper books. Are you telling me that they expect students to pay $100+ for digital editions of these textbooks?

Yes

The rate at which colleges are cannibalizing themselves is going to remove them from any relevance within 10 years if there aren't some drastic changes.

Value of a degree is on its way down, quality of education is dropping like a stone, cost is rising at a rate hugely outpacing average earned income.

If things keep going like this eventually a college degree will be viewed even by corporate employers as evidence of poor decision making skills.

Lol only in America, here in civilisation we're enjoying free college, weekly payments for expenses, no "campus police" or whatever you guys have, no school shootings, minimal liberal college nonsense (although it is creeping in), etc. Lecturers specifically told us "it's 2015 and you're comp science students, if you're not pirating your books just leave now".

College isn't going anywhere but into the mainstream outside of the US and it's delightful to see a country reap what they sow like America. Fuck your citizens over on basic human rights (that oh, by the way, are an investment in the population and actually boost GDP) for too long and they start to not value them. Hence the stupid, fat, loud and militaristic American stereotype. You devalue education and health, value the military and nationalism, and this is what you get.

Harsh... but can't argue against it unfortunately. We get the government we deserve. We need to be better freaking people if we want a better freaking government.

Carlin hit the nail on that one...

-you have shitty ignorant people, your'e going to get shitty ignorant politicians-

Where would you recommend going then? As a non citizen student? (international)

You seem to enjoy repeating media propaganda. I can do that too.

Enjoy your muslim rape and stabbings and bombings and the disarmament of all of your law abiding citizens while criminals remain armed. And don't forget your steadily declining economic relevance, unless you're German. Of course, Germany has its own set of dumbass issues.

If you think most of Europe isn't just as corrupt as the US you're living in a dreamworld. Your elites just have softer velvet on their gloves because they've been through internal revolutions before and they know how disruptive it is to their power and bank accounts. They know it pays long term to plug your mouths with pacifiers.

You can learn how to produce value for your shepherds in college, but you can't learn anything actually capable of affecting the world. They've carefully scrubbed all of the interesting and dangerous shit from the books, but you don't know that because how would you know what you don't know and never will? Blissful in your ignorance even as you think you're learning. The perfect component in the machine.

Don't forget to enjoy your rapidly restricting freedoms and mounting sense of meaninglessness as you're no longer allowed by mommy to own or do anything mildly exciting or dangerous, and as you meander aimlessly toward the grave be sure to get regularly milked of value like the docile cattle you are.

Because you've said an all inclusive statement that only applies to your one, fucked up country. It's like an African saying hospitals will soon be obsolete because of how bad the conditions are. Nah mate you just live in a shitty part of the world and need to change how you do things. Hospitals/Colleges are great and something to be praised as the major achievements of man, how you choose to implement those great institutions is up to you but don't blame the institution. Then again it's genuinely not your fault as it's not North Koreans fault that they believe the shite they do. An unscrupulous government can do untold damage to its own population as well as it's neighbours.

Okay Irish dipshit. Your country is a glorified tax haven. You think that leprechaun economics bullshit is going to last forever?

The foundation of your entire economy is fucking over other countries' taxation efforts which would fund the colleges and other social services you esteem so highly. Then you have the gall to brag about it?

Fuck you leech cunt.

On top of that, comparing the US to any European nation is completely inane. The US has 100x the GDP of most EU nations and the same land mass as the entirety of Europe. Unless you're Germany you don't even belong in the same categorization of "country", we have states with higher GDP than your country. Your populations are infinitely more homogenized and your troubles are localized and require far fewer logistics to solve.

Don't fucking talk to me about "national" problems when you don't know shit about it. "National" problems doesn't mean the same thing when your GDP is 300 billion while the GDP of just the state I live in is 1.6 trillion.

Close your dumbass mouth and suckle from that government teat while you can, it won't last forever.

Ahahahahaha what a stereotype

He made an American comment on a largely American website...Congrats bro

Because 'we the people' haven't tried to change this obviously rigged system. Thanks for your brilliant insight and direction. /s

... you've said an all inclusive statement that only applies to your one, fucked up country ...

It's like an African saying ...

Africa is not a country. Not all African countries exhibit the same conditions. You should consider following your own advice.

I'm not going to pretend that this will be insightful chat, but it's awfully interesting to hear someone from Ireland favorably comparing their country to, well, any other country in the Western world. You enjoy all the benefits you described because foreign corporations and foreign governments gave them to you. You can't take credit for any of it.

Ireland has been the ragged stepchild of Europe for almost the entire 20th century. Your country experienced a temporary boost in the 1990s because it reinvented itself as a slag for foreign companies that wanted cheap access to the European market through an English-speaking country. Nobody cared about your domestic industries and nobody wanted to hire your workers; they just wanted access and you were desperate for that money, so you pretended they cared about you.

Because your whole country was built on an economic foundation of a melted pat of Kerrygold butter it collapsed in 2008. Nearly a decade later you're still a mess. The only reason why Ireland doesn't look like Belarus right now is because your government went crying to Europe for help, like usual, whose authorities gave you a €67.5bn bailout. Despite that help from your rich European daddy you're still running a deficit today and your government's statisticians have fabricated data to make little Ireland feel good about itself. Your real unemployment rate is still in double digits at 15 percent. Your young people continue to leave the country in droves, well after the recession, because they couldn't imagine how to make a life there. More than half of those emigrants are university-educated, which means your country is literally getting dumber by the year. Not that anybody elsewhere in Europe will recognize the names on your countrymen's degrees; none of your universities cracked the THE World University Rankings and only two are ranked above 250.

But hey! If for some nonsensical reason someone wanted to attend your second-rate universities they can enjoy not listening to that "liberal college nonsense," right? Yay for Ireland.

haha jesus they just don't make them like the do in 'Merica anywhere else. Anyways I'm not at all nationalistic, that's for silly people, so eh yeah I'm glad you learned some stuff while researching but your nation trolling sort of falls on deaf ears. As far as economic plans though the Irish plan to skyrocket the economy through education and attracting the biggest global companies is absolutely ingenious and one of the few things this country has done exceedingly good. As I said I'm not arsed getting into the minutia of it but absolutely no one criticises this economic plan from a success standpoint, obviously the country that lost it's billion dollar companies won't be happy though. But yeah as far as this geographic landmass goes, I'm fairly happy. Think of a tech company, your favourite one, they own a multi-million euro premises within 10 minutes walking distance from my front door. Facebook, Google, AirBnB, Accenture, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, Amazon, to name but a few. So as a Computer Scientist, getting my free education, with weekly payments for expenses, with links into the long list of billion dollar companies near my college, I'm sitting pretty happy here with 0 insecurity. Oh and I don't have to worry about getting shot by my crazy neighbour, or the crazy police force responding to him.

There are definitely better places than Ireland though, I think Finland is an attractive option.

Not an American, keep trying though!

...well I never said you were, keep failing though!

BOOOOOM!

And when it bursts, I can't imagine how catastrophic the damage will be.

You'll see something that has never happened. Mass shutdowns and closings of colleges.

You'll see something that has never happened.

just like 2008 crisis? cause that shit was also unprecedented.

Gets me giddy just thinking about it. Burn off the excess bullshit. The good ones will survive.

The world still needs doctors though, and you cant teach that shit in trade school.

Why not?

Doctors are just engineers and mechanics with a lot of pretentious bullshit mixed in.

are you available between 2-6 pm on tuesday? have to practice open heart surgery and i need a test subject.

Like mechanics practicing on old wrecks, doctors practice on corpses.

The human body is complicated, but the fixing of many different systems and machines are complicated too.

Take the heart surgeon in your example. That is a highly specialized job. You don't think you couldn't train a guy to operate on hearts without all the rareified academic trajning and huge expense to keep the number of doctors low and to wrap their profession in a layer of mystique?

On the other hand, why did he assume that when you said "doctor", you meant "medical doctor"? Do people realize that there are other doctors out there that ARE mechanics and engineers? Some of those doctors were even required to mix some pretentious bullshit into their education to receive a doctorate! Mind = blown?

This exact same thing happened to me. Luckily I bought my textbook with the cd key from my university library. They ended up just giving me a key from another book. $150 textbooks are a fucking joke.

Ya the $350 book made me cry. My daughter needs 3 books. Key and CD in book.

And then you get the professors who require courseware with specific textbook keys to get into and you're fucked.

Pearson can suck a dick and so can every college who keeps them alive.

That's nearly every single class now.

Can't get the part that you buy the book and then ask for refund?

Honestly I went to the library on campus, checked out a copy that you had to keep in the library and used my iPhone 5's camera to take a picture of every page. Actually got an A in the classes I did that for.

I did this last semester with my android tablet.

this needs to go on Apple ads

Can I do that if I don't have an iPhone 5s?

lol I think the only reason I mentioned my phone is because I was excited to have it as it was my first non potato quality phone.

I did somewhat the same. Overhead book scanner at my campus to scan the book then tossed it through an OCR (Abbyy Finereader) to recognize the letters/ words in the PDF to make searching for keywords easier. The teacher specifically chose a book that didn't have a digital copy. Annoying as hell when they do that.

My University had a couple book scanners so you could make scans of the chapters you needed. It took forever but it was worth it usually

I wish I could pirate my tuition

You wouldn't download a diploma...

Hello DeVry

ITT tech?

I would if I could.

It's not impossible.

Jeff Winger: I'm in a bit of a jam. The Bar Association just suspended my license. Turns out my law degree was not legitimate.

Duncan: I thought you had a Bachelor's from Columbia.

Jeff Winger: Now I have to get one from America. And it can't be an e-mail attachment.

Biiiitch

Refrence: https://youtu.be/Wc0-wSQd-LQ

I never noticed the hotdogs on his shirt until now

I would if I could bitch [0:12]

LOL

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Do you want the diploma, or the knowledge?

The diploma. The minimal amount of knowledge I gained that I couldn't have acquired in my own free time is just a minute bonus.

might wanna check out r/forgeries

Seems like that should be a joke sub but there's some very serious requests happening in there. Fascinating!

Thanks, I'll definitely keep that subreddit in my bookmarks. I won't use it for school, though. Thank the heavens I have a full ride, generous parents, and not much else to do at the moment.

The important part isn't the piece of paper, it's that when someone calls your school to ask if you went there they say yes.

/r/howtohack

Cyber crime in a piracy sub? Unheard of, I assure you.

I would never encourage anyone to break the law. All advice is for educational or entertainment purposes only.

Crimes can be quite entertaining

That fake ticket one is interesting

TIL there's a subreddit for forgeries of documents with verified vendors.... :|

You can forge pretty much anything these days. I know this one popular website of retired scholars and professional writers who will write any paper for you. Research papers, college entrance essays, master thesis papers, anything. The top guy there completed like 20,000 essays and finished a ~500 page master thesis in a week. I know another website that makes fake credentials, degrees, work history ect. They set up imitation companies with real documents and pay people to tell your fake history over the phone.

I did. I have a very common name and a guy with my name has a management degree from FSU, so now I "have" a management degree from FSU, so now I have a nice job with an Atlanta logistics company.

The real story here is that I have the charisma to finagle my way into a salaried position despite doing nothing but retail and serving for 8 years, yet I can't convince a woman into a one night stand or third date.

That's called robbing a bank

Oh god it get soo much it's when you actually have to start repaying the loans. The better your job and more expensive the tuition the higher the loans and repayment plans. I'm paying 1600$ a month on mine for at least 20 years. I feel like a sucker and a slave.

For me, my student loans are the ONE bill I don't mind paying each month.

Hate paying rent; hate the car payment and insurance. Hate putting gas in the car; hate paying for electric...

But those student loans... I abused the hell out of them. I took out bigger loans than I needed and traveled/lived abroad each summer with the extra money. Essentially took the bus to the airport directly from my last final and didn't come back until class started the following semester. Even after graduation, I used left over loan money to go diving down in the carribean for a few months while applying for jobs online.

By no means was it responsible, but I make my payments every month with a giant smile on my face. My payments are only $350/mo though, but between the awesome 4 years of college and the summers traveling, the loans were worth every penny.

Sort of did the same thing this summer. I just used the AOTC for a return, saved a little from work, and then dipped into what I had leftover from loans. Fucking worth it, I had an amazing summer.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you accumulate over those 4 years? With interest?

~$40K

I didn't really need the loans; as a veteran I got 100% tuition reimbursement and a $1200/mo stipend; I also got a few grants while in school and worked part time depending on how I felt about my workload for the semester.

I borrowed about $10K a year almost entirely to cover summer expenses when I wouldn't be getting any kind of assistance. I didn't really have any family to stay with so instead of renting an apartment for the summers I used the $10K to travel for the summer months.

$1600 is a fuckload, higher than an average mortgage and higher than health insurance. What the fuck.

God dammit, why things cost money?

You are paying 384,00 dollars American? You'd better have achieved Universal Knowledge for that amount.

You are paying 384,00 dollars American?

/r/theydidthemath etc etc

and holy fuck that's a lot of money

Yes, about that much with interest. I do not possess universal knowledge though, and the bill can be much higher for private institutions.

I hope you are making a cool million dollars a year after taxes - that school debt sounds insane. Please tell me that you have a doctorate degree at least.

I wish. I have a good income, about 130,000$ and I do have a doctorate. The interests rates sneak up on you. Mine average around 6-7% and the majority of my monthly payment goes towards interest.

You make around $5500 a paycheck. You make in 1 month what a lot of people struggle to make in a year. Stop crying. Live like a student for a few years and pay everything towards the principal.

I'm not crying and I earn every penny I make. I was tying to point out the system is fucked. And in the mean time you can absolutely go fuck yourself. Hard to live like a student when you are supporting a family on one income.

Well then its your fault for having the family in your situation. Why are you complaining?

I was trying to point to the fact our system is broken. Our higher education system has been turned into a highly profitable machine at the expense of people's futures. Everyone here should be concerned that we are essentially penalizing people for pursuing higher education. We should follow Germanys lead. Go ahead and continue down the false logic oath of "well you shouldn't have had a family" while ignoring the actual problem.

Is your partner unable to work due to having to care for the children?

If yes, understandable. If not, there's part of a solution to your situation.

But at $130,000 a year, that's over 10k a month. $5,500 every 2 weeks.

I'm not sure what your monthly bills are, but unless you're paying $3k a month on a mortgage, I'm sure you technically could cut back on your spending to save and apply a little more to the principal.

Raising a family on $130,000 shouldn't be hard at all. Even with an extra $1600 a month for loans. After your loans are taken out, you're still making a cool $8,400 a month. Even if we go crazy and take out $3k for mortgage, that's still $5k a month! My parents raise us (3 kids) on around $3k a month.

I agree the system is broken. But I also see what the other people are saying too. You're in a better situation than the vast majority of people out there who also work hard and earn their pennies. It's harder to sympathize when someone who is at a level most would love to be is looking at that living situation with a negative outlook.

I'm not trying to come across as rude either; the stuff was said by other commentors was just not said in constructive manner.

Well thanks for replying to a 5 month old post, but AFTER TAXES and 401 k, I take home about 5500 a month. 1600 on mortgage, and now 2200 student loan payments. I don’t need sympathy. I just need everyone to understand this system is broken.

Age of the post doesn't matter.

When you say you make $130,000 and don't bother to correct somebody's estimate of your take home amount in your reply, we are all thinking you take home $130k.

Anyway, you are making $130k, so the 22% federal tax bracket. Which means you should bring in $101.4k before state taxes. If you live in California, with a state tax of 13.3% (among the highest, where the others don't even break 10%), you are bringing home $87.9k before 401k, which is $7325 a month.

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/taxes/federal-income-tax-brackets/ for my sources on tax rates, the state tax brackets are easily googled.

So if you're making around $7325 and bringing home $5500, you're putting roughly 25% of your take home into your 401k. I don't know if your employer matches that much, since most only match about 6% of a 50 cent to dollar ratio. Most dollar-to-dollar matches I've seen only get up to about 4% matches.

You could probably invest a little less into your 401k and save a little each month.

Your "disposable" income is $1700 a month. That's for food, utilities, internet, car payments, health insurance, car insurance, etc.

Assuming you are a family of 4, you're looking at about $800 in health insurance. Which is half of your disposable.

Why did your student loan payments go up to $2200 from $1600? Was it the Graduate Plan or a change in income? Or a missed payment?

I'm not trying to sympathize or pity you, or come across as rude. But you might want to seek out some professional advice from a financial adviser on how to balance it out a little bit.

I understand the want to have a family, and I'm not going to get on to you about having one either. But you knew that it would be more of a financial burden than "getting your life together first" would have been.

I helped several family members get their finances lined up so they weren't living paycheck to paycheck, but since I doubt you're in my state/area, I suggest getting a little help from someone around you. Look into your 401k spending, and realize that everyone understands the system is broken, but you do have it better off than the vast majority of the country.

Jesus hell. I used myself as an example but I wasn’t the issue being discussed. The only thing to consider in this thread and the point I was trying to make before you were ready to hand me your judgements and subjective opinions on how to live, is that the university system in this country is 1) overpriced 2) federal loan interest rates are too high. If you disagree with me that’s fine. Just say it. If you you agree with me and think the country needs to work to improve them then that’s great to. This was never about me personally I just used my numbers as an example because they are the easier to come by for me. So in summary. The only thing being debated here is the college and loans as a whole for the country. But all you people with your anecdotes and “my parents did it this way...” shit is great and all but I don’t give a fuck about it.

Actually the only thing being discussed is how you’re 1) better off than most of the country and 2) made a decision that you couldn’t financially afford at the time and now want to blame it on your student loans.

Own up to a poorly time decision and stop being a dick to people. Realizing and accepting your problems goes a long way to being a better person. Don’t throw out personal examples if you don’t want them over analyzed.

Sure seems like crying to me. Go fuck yourself too with six figure paycheck. Maybe use your tears as lube.

Congratulations on your doctorate! I am not sure of how college debt works; however if it is possible you may want to go full-on austere mode and try to pay it off in a 5 year (or less) period. That's a pretty heavy albatross to have hanging from your neck.

Man if I were you I would live life like Im poor for 2-3 years. Set a budget of about 30-40 thousand. Thats enough for most people to live somewhat comfortably in most parts of the country. You can adjust for cost of living where you live. Then just dump like 90-100 thousand a year into your loans a year.

Just say fuck it and live like crap for two years. Pay off those loans and have the rest of your life.

Imagine what $1800 a month in investments could do for you over 20 years.

I would upvote but your points are prefect.

You can, you just have to be just poor enough, in the right race and sex demographics, have the correct GPA, choose the right school, and then take a few classes about piracy before you sail the Spanish Main to plunder the booty of cargo ships.

University of the People. Or become an autodidact. Education is just a small stepping stone. If you want to distinguish yourself, you have to all of that by yourself anyway.

DREAM Act?

Let me introduce you to Germany.

$150? Try 400-700 each and all made artificially mandatory because the professors wrote them and edit them annually. #justnursingschoolthungs

Gotta hate it when you have to buy a book your professor wrote and it doesn't have a digital copy. The hard copy had to buy from a company and they issue no returns or refunds rip $300

Is this just a US thing or does other countries do this too ? What happens if you don't buy the book ?

Almost all of my professors (US) made sure that a half dozen or so copies of the textbook were available at the library. They would put holds on them so that you couldn't check them out, but you could read them in the library.

A lot of my professors also familiarized themselves with older editions of the textbook (maybe last 3 or 4 editions) so they could tell students which sections were up to date and which ones have been revised... if a section was revised to the point that it was no longer relevant, the professors typically handed out copies of the revised sections for the students that had older editions.

Not in Germany at least, my history book was older than me.

You still need them, but even if you couldnt buy them you would get them for free if you can prove youre on welfare and stuff.

Do they at least cover the reuninfication of Germany?

Which one?

IDK, i can't afford a decent history book at my school.

This was an enjoyable tangent.

Thanks for the laugh mate

it's a US thing.

outside the US, they never use the access code/software provided with the books so you can buy them used. They also cost a lot less.

I'm in canada and it's also not unusual for universities/teachers to provide their how notes for free (or almost free).

Here in Argentina its normal that if a book is compulsory, the professor will allow photocopies

Here in Brazil, ALL college books are photocopies lol

except sometimes photocopies are more expensive than a used copies, babaquinho

Not here, bitch. Bought a new book. 10 b&w copies of it costed half of te new volume. That's what I call a deal.

How much for one copy of a double faced a4?

Of this particular book? 25 reais. {around 8 usd), bound and everything

Cheap!

Depends on the class. I have had some where they never even mention that there is a textbook because the department decided that it was needed not the professor. And I've had others that are essential because the professor doesn't actually teach the class.

In Russia, my university library provided all the essential textbooks for every subject. That meant that usually they were super old though, I remember fuming because my introduction to Greek and Roman Literature was interspersed with the author trying to tie it to Marxism-Leninism.

All the professors that were worth a damn gave us newer books we needed, allowed a photocopy, photocopied the relevant bit themselves, or would literally drop a dl link in an email. The only book I had to buy was a second language textbook/workbook, and even then I would've got away with a library book, I was just too lazy to keep rewriting all the printed exercises. But that's humanities for you, my friends in programming classes had to buy a few more books to teach themselves the new stuff. Even to them the library provided the majority of the books they needed.

Now, this is how you conjugate a verb in the past tense. By the way, do you have a moment to speak of our lord and savior, Stalin?

Lol

More like 'this is how the Iliad is related to oppression of the working class by the bourgeoisie and the imminent communist revolution'.

I had it to an extend in the Netherlands. It wasn't just that the books were outrageous expansive. But they were hard cover with licensed art at the front and every page was printed in colour on foto quality paper. These books had more quality than the Apple book.

Of course no normal student/person would chose to buy a book of this quality if you want to write in it and not use it ever again after a few months. But hey, it is not up to the students to decide which quality their book should be.

I'm from Nepal. Here every semester we get old books for free, and we return them at the end of the semester. This way we can pick and choose which books we want to buy in case we think we might need it later on.
You an also totally burrow any semester's book you want as long as you're in college.

In the US just about anyone can get grants from the government per semester that will cover both tuition at a community college (not a university, not even close) and the cost of a book. If the book is too expensive, it might not tho. Either way tho, I'm not paying for the fucking book.

Depends. I went to school with my GI bill after I left the military. They gave me $400 a year for books. I went to school all year round, which meant 3 semesters. That $400 was depleted in the first semester.

In the US, you can get grants that are based on decades-old pricing. In the US, if you can't find some way to work while going to school, you're either going into debt, or you're fucked.

I admittedly don't know much about it because my roommate basically set everything up for me. But this semester (starting in Fall) I'm about to get somewhere around $2000 to go to community college, whereas each class is around ~400 a piece. And I've never been in the military, don't qualify for anything special, etc.

And I'm pretty sure this is just the federal pel grant, so I think anybody could do the same. There might be income requirements tho.

There are income requirements for Pell grants. As it turns out, Pell grants don't give you much if your parents make more than $55k, and they give you nothing if you spent 6 years in the military to use the GI bill and your parents make $55k.

The only reason I was able to afford it was because my then-girlfriend, now-wife was working her ass off to pay for food, rent, bills, and gas.

Most people can't get government grants, and for the ones who can it's only enough for about half of them. I tried to help anyone I could with it while I was going to school, because I did an inordinate​ amount of research on who qualifies for what, on top of the school later employing me as a tutor so people asked a lot of questions, and helping people is my bread and butter.

Realizing this does you little good now, but unless you were in a reserve component (e.g. USAR, USANG, USNR) only and never served in the regular service (e.g. USA, USN, USAF), you should have been independent for financial aid purposes based on your veteran status. And MGIB benefits are not counted as a resource for the purposes of awarding federal aid.

Huh. Well I'll remember that regardless. I still know lots of people who can use their benefits and are under 25. Thanks.

Here's the cite and relevant parts (emphasis mine):

The term “independent”, when used with respect to a student, means any individual who--

 is 24 years of age or older by December 31 of the award year;

 is an orphan, in foster care, or a ward of the court, or was an orphan, in foster care, or a ward of the court at any time when the individual was 13 years of age or older;

 is, or was immediately prior to attaining the age of majority, an emancipated minor or in legal guardianship as determined by a court of competent jurisdiction in the individual's State of legal residence;

is a veteran of the Armed Forces of the United States (as defined in subsection (c)(1) of this section) or is currently serving on active duty in the Armed Forces for other than training purposes;

 is a graduate or professional student;

 is a married individual;

 has legal dependents other than a spouse;

 has been verified during the school year in which the application is submitted as either an unaccompanied youth who is a homeless child or youth (as such terms are defined in section 725 of the McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Act), or as unaccompanied, at risk of homelessness, and self-supporting, by--

 a local educational agency homeless liaison, designated pursuant to section 722(g)(1)(J)(ii) of the McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Act;

 the director of a program funded under the Runaway and Homeless Youth Act or a designee of the director;

 the director of a program funded under subtitle B of title IV of the McKinney-Vento Homeless Assistance Act (relating to emergency shelter grants) or a designee of the director;  or

 a financial aid administrator;  or

 is a student for whom a financial aid administrator makes a documented determination of independence by reason of other unusual circumstances.

No portion of any student financial assistance received from any program by an individual, no portion of veterans' education benefits received by an individual, no portion of a national service educational award or post-service benefit received by an individual under Title I of the National and Community Service Act of 1990 [42 U.S.C.A. § 12511 et seq.], no portion of any tax credit taken under section 25A of Title 26, and no distribution from any qualified education benefit described in subsection (f)(3) of this section that is not subject to Federal income tax, shall be included as income or assets in the computation of expected family contribution for any program funded in whole or in part under this chapter.

Source: Former ET and former financial aid officer (in that order)

I knew about the GI bill, post 9/11 or MGIB, not counting as financial assistance for the purposes of grants, but I didn't know I could exempt my parents' income from the equation. That's very helpful info though. Thanks again.

There are definitely income requirements for the Pell Grant, but what you said is a little off. Im using my parent's GI-Bill, and they're making 55k+ and I'm still getting at least a bit from the Pell Grant. I don't really understand it, but I'll take it.

I was able to get a little from Pell, but it was about $1k for a whole year. Didn't really help out very much. I guess I could say it bought me food for like 6 or 7 months.

Looks like I was a bit off the mark then. I live on my own so I don't know if my parents income comes into play, but I didn't come from a 55K+ household anyway.

Yeah, if they're under that threshold, you're gonna get pretty decent assistance. Stupidly, the government expects all lower-middle-class and up parents to pay for at least part of their children's college education, which as you can imagine, isn't always the case.

Is that the case even if you're a bit older? I mean I'm 25 years old, my finances have fuck all to do with mom and dad at this point. Seems weird that they would base anything on that.

And 55k isn't much money either. Not for a college education, at least.

I can't remember the exact cut off age, but it's either 24 or 25 where the family contribution cuts off. I was 23 when I started college a few years ago, and it screwed me. There is an age where it's no longer expected.

There are income requirements and amount received is income dependent.

Not at NJIT. They have grants that are given almost exclusively to foreign students; 99% of all recipients are foreign-born Indians on student visas, while a few US citizens are given it to meet the minimum requirements for public universities. Hell, most of the Indian, Chinese, and Korean students I studied with we're getting FAFSA and financial aid for claiming they were alone in the US without income, even though their parents would drop by the school weekly to get lunch with their kids.

They repeatedly told me that they didn't want to apply for citizenship because they wouldn't be able to work under the table and this would not qualify for free Medicaid and tuition.

Well is part of the problem that you're trying to go to University? And a private school at that? I don't know how it works in those situations but my grant would be nowhere near enough to go to a local university. It is enough to complete 2-4 years of community college tho, which is all I really need for my field.

It's a public university, but when I talked to all of the other people going for Master's degrees, many of the students with citizenship we're only able to get around $1000 off tuition every semester, while many foreign students were as close as half-off by "playing the game". By the way, many of them were claiming poverty, yet we're living on campus and had brand new BMW 3 or 5 series or Mercedes E/C class. One even had a BMW M6, yet technically had no income and the car was in his parent's name, making him assetless and broke in the state's eyes, qualifying him for free healthcare as well!!!

I almost never complain about inequality, as it is unfortunately all around us, but when a university places importance on citizenship when it comes to financial and academic decisions instead of a student's academic prowess, I knew it was time to leave.

I told a professor about a few students who used answer keys during a midterm exam, and he had the gall to say that "Well, they might not have as much proficiency with the English language as you or I, so it isn't really cheating if they know the material." The test IS to see if they know the material!!! If they are unable to understand the language the test is being administered in, how will they be able to function in a society that revolves around said language?

Oh shit i go there

My parents and I got into a huge argument with one of the deans after they accidentally slipped and said that the school was facing a possible budget cut and wouldn't be able to cover some of the foreign students' tuition cuts.

You need a green card to get grants, I believe most of the foreign students at NJIT are there on student visas.

Time to buy a xerox

I had a professor that wrote his book. He could buy his own book for like 15% discount.

He went out of his way to make copies of the book for anyone that wants them and asked for something like $5-10 just to cover the cost of making the copies. I think someone said they can't afford that and he obviously still let the lady get a copy for free. He had three doctorates and was teaching at a community college and just wanted us to learn, even if he spent hours copying his own textbook for us.

He really is one of the best humans I've ever known. I would email him with a question at like 10pm on a thursday night and he would reply within 10 minutes with such enthusiasm. And his class was on campus as opposed to online.

I have online teachers that take 3 days to respond to a question you have.

It's amazing, that is true passion for sharing knowledge.

These are the real MVPs.

Annually? Try per semester instead. It's outrageous.

Confirmed by my wife, the household nursing student from my examole.

I know the books cost an extreme amount because I actually sold Magic cards to get a couple in time for classes one semester. That was the case where she explained how she "could" work with the previous edition but was still hunting down info on the differences.

I figured she had enough on her plate and listed a bunch of my cards at really low prices so they'd sell quick.

Then it turned out she didn't crack the damn books open til halfway through the semester and only for like 2 chapters/assignments each. If even that.

Then it turned out she didn't crack the damn books open til halfway through the semester and only for like 2 chapters/assignments each. If even that.

Am in college now and dealing with that same shit. I pay for textbooks I do not need because they are "mandatory", and wind up almost never using them.

And then people wonder why we pirate stuff.

"Sorry my wallet and asshole can only be stretched so far."

When I was in nursing school, my last two semesters I didn't buy a single book. We didn't use any of them anyway and the ones we did I just went to the library once a week to get my assignments/important info and took pics of what I needed for that assignment.

Plus if you find out you really do need the book you can just buy it after classes start

Shit. I just spent 190 on one and thought it was too much.

It was.

It's the best when the semester ends and they offer to buy your 5 books for $17 for a loss of $1233 over the course of 4 months.

This is so specific that I feel like that had to have happened

Just reply "Actually I'm going to use these as firewood."

Then turn around and sell it for $1700. It just hurts me how much colleges love to financially ruin students for trying to educate themselves.

I went for accounting and also had some professors make their own textbooks that were updated annually.

I guess for our fields though, it makes sense a bit due to new research (for nursing) and new government regulations (for accounting).

Which site are you recommend for pirating books?

u/Amosqu posted this a couple years back and it's the first link I go to every semester.

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[https://www.reddit.com/r/trackers/comments/hrgmv/tracker_with_pdfsebooks_of_college_textbooks/c1xrq44/] (This is a great thread with links to search engines for textbook piracy.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/429d6n/easytofollow_beginners_guide_to_dedrming_amazon/

Bookmark this.

Libgen is a decent site.

Google your ISBN + pdf, epub and you might get lucky and find someone hosted it.

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Libgen

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/

This is really the only site you will ever need. Ive been in college 4 years and it has never let me down. Its amazing how many text books it has. I have no idea how this site finds them all, but it even has some more obscure textbooks. Downloading it also super easy, and there are no annoying popup adds. You just click download, and it downloads. No bullshit.

Sorry, newbie here. How does this site work? I got the torrent files, but after extracting the source file, it is in file-type file. So where do i go from here?

Have you ever downloaded a torrent before? You need to download a program designed to open files like that. I recommend qbittorrent. Once you download that program you should be able to download the torrent file and it should open in qbittorrent and begin downloading. Downloads usually start off as "stalled" which means that its searching for "peers". Peers are other people in the cloud who are basically downloading the file from. Once it finds some peers it should start downloading. It generally starts off downloading pretty slow, but will speed up over time.

Holy crap - this site really is amazing. Just found three books I spent the better part of an hour trying to find. Thank you for the heads up!!

No problem. Glad I could help. Make sure you spread the word and save another soul from wasting hundreds on text books.

Done and done. I'm the unofficial provider of pirated texts for my grad school cohort, so super happy to share the joy.

What is the link please? It has been deleted.

What site?

Sorry, newbie here. How does this site work? I got the torrent files, but after extracting the source file, it is in file-type file. So where do i go from here?

I've never been so fast to save this'll come in handy my for my first year

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Can anyone confirm if this still works?

I used this method about 6 months ago, so it should still work now.

the random russian library is where its at

Go on duckduckgo.com and search reddit ebook search engine. I have better luck searching the sites individually though. https://www.libgen.io being the largest.

This is strongly dependent on your major/department, but I only bought like 25% of required texts. I used library copies for 25% of them and pirated 50%. It really is a pain to find them, though. Had to scour through a lot of sketchy websites with a hope and prayer that I didn't get viruses.

I don't understand by what you mean "done pirating".

Some crazy people lose their minds and insist on trading goods and or services for Cash!? I think they call it.

I don't understand why you would just give someone cash. If you give it away you have less. Less is bad.

Less is bad, MY GOD YOURE RIGHT! I should acquire more cash, whats up with your cash, I need it.

Fight me irl.. After school by the basketball courts. Your ass is grass mister. Be there or be square.

What if I want to be a circle though?

Your fingers are typing a cheque your ass cant cash

When I download a torrent, the only people providing a service to me are the other peers.

I finally have a good job and earn way more than enough to casually purchase all the media I consume. Yet here I sit in old ragged clothes, using an old ass motorcycle for transport, watching my torrent speeds as the metaphorical pile of disposable income I sit in just grows.

Its almost like the reason I pirated in the first place was due to some hostile sentiments toward most media industries.

lol the Media companies promote piracy the most. By constantly telling consumers not to pirate when they didn't. And to each create their own streaming services with a boatload of restrictions its any wonder why people pirate.

Legend has it that some people reach a point in their life where they have enough money that they can exchange it for goods and services, including movies and books.

Up to now I only met one guy who once achieved this (no GF/dog, stable job for years). He went online trying to buy something, but was quickly struck down by bad quality, overly complex service(s), or paid content that comes with ads. He still pirates.

done "with" pirating

If only there was a way to pirate access codes..

I was very fortunate that my university banned the compulsory use of those online aspects of textbooks (e.g., MyEconLab).

Unfortunately in my later years of my studies, the course material got more niche and obscure and I was never able to find it online.

my university banned the compulsory use of those online aspects of textbooks

God I wish that was a rule everywhere. Which university did you go to? The online aspect is really the bad part. Often I don't even need the textbook and can learn well without it but there's no way to avoid paying $100+ for access to a shitty broken online component which is mandatory to not fail the class.

I compiled the best e-library of all the expensive ass textbooks I could never afford IRL.

Price? 50% chance of malware = Worth.

What's the link to that e Library

ould never affo

Price? A slight chance of someone hiding malware in the files and buying themselves a yacht with your credit card and lifelong paranoia that you someone is spying on you = worth

Who has that kind of credit and pirates textbooks?

They may have stolen two credit cards. Even worse.

You know one of the reasons you get a credit card is the protection it provides right? Even if someone did get your CC info if they live on the other side of the world the card would most likely decline as a security measure. If it doesnt decline you can always just call their theft department or w/e and they will probably initiate a chargeback and file a report and shit.

What if they log my keystrokes? and decide to buy the yacht that way? I am afraid of someone bashing on their keyboard and accidentally getting the password right, I know their chances are slim, but there is always a chance.

buying themselves a yacht with your credit card

How big is this Yacht? Unless you can buy it at Toys-R-Us, they ain't sailing on a damn thing but a hope and a dream.

Price? 50% chance of malware = Worth.

Download and open them in a Virtual Machine - all safe.

Previous versions, pester your professor for the old questions or take pictures of a friend's problems.

Unless it comes with mandatory internet homework. In that case the class can burn.

Man... fuck mandatory internet textbooks with homework....

I'll never forget our Linux professor. First day in class. "Well if you really want a hard copy of this course's book, it'll set you back $400. Or you all can pass around this flashdrive I have here and copy the PDF version for free because a $400 book is absurd." That was a fun class, great teacher.

my anatomy professor did this for us while allowing others to use older editions if the wanted a hard copy

I love your professor. no homo

its not gay if the balls dont touch

Now your teacher has a ton of botnets.

My Java professor insisted on us buying a particular £70 textbook for the course, he pushed this book hard like it was the holy bible, the book was actually allowed in some of the tests yet written notes were not. Turns out he was a co-author that received commision for every copy sold.

Someone asked if they were allowed to use a digital copy in an upcoming test and he snorted angrily into the microphone and went on an anti-piracy monologue using outdated and debunked arguments. That guy really had his head up his arse, other professors used to openly joke about him in their own lectures.

Java professor

So literally the only human who couldn't get a job working with Java

also him being a linux teacher, it just makes sense that he would use the most efficient resource effective way to get the job done.

I took a Unix class and the tool we used was Fedora, so don't be so quick to assume they all know what they're doing.

M'Unix

Woah woah, Now Wait a minute...

Them's fightin' words 😂

Linux distro's ABC

  • Suse/mandrake/whatever-the-new-crap-is: Babby's first linux
  • Fedora: I really be likin this new linux thang
  • Arch linux: Couldn't figure out LFS. Also, he's using arch linux btw. Did he mention that?
  • Gentoo: Haven't heard about Arch yet
  • Ubuntu: Because debian is hard
  • Debian: Old skool. Probably has a beard and have memorized half the man pages.
  • Slackware: Woah. Don't mess with this guy, he's mental. Also have forgotten more about linux than you'll ever learn.
  • LFS: Has Linus on speed dial. Wrote at least two kernel modules. Big chance s/he's into BDSM and have a repectable whip collection.

I'd put Ubuntu into Babby's first linux, because most people use it as an entry distro. Otherwise it's spot-on.

I was unsure where to put it. On one hand, it's certainly a starter distro. On the other hand, it's just repackaged debian mostly. So a lot of people also use it as sort of "preconfigured debian" quick install.

My programming department had their own online textbook for each major language and topic that all students got free access to. It was great.

What school? That's really cool

I got suckered into Westwood College. They often had their own printed book you had to buy and could even sell back since each Term had a new version.

The funny part is usually the professors choose the textbook lol. At least at my undergrad. Now if they know the price beforehand or if the department requires them pick a certain title is another story.

A lot of professors have incredibly shady and corrupt deals with textbook publishers, where they are able to publish their 'own' version every year or every semester and get a kick back from every student who buys one.

Shit should really be illegal. I lose all respect for teachers who act predatory to their students like that.

Well, it's usually not the professors fault. Usually the publisher has a deal with the university and departments are forced to have a textbook set for every class

My understanding is that in these circumstances, the professors are both 'editing' the book to 'fit' their course, and also receiving kickbacks from the publishers.

Nope. The only time that might be the case is if they actually wrote a book. In which case, they deserve the money they get from a book they helped write. What I believe you're referring to is more like abridged versions of books that are lined up to the class syllabus. It makes the books harder to resell. While that is shady, it isn't as shady as teachers taking in cash for something they didn't create.

The shady part is where they did indeed write the book, then use their position to use their own book as course material. If a school chooses a book written by a professor based on merit, then sure, that professor earned that kickback.

When they conveniently choose their own book, they just squeeze funds out of their students and prevent potentially better and books from competing.

What kind of Linux textbook costs $400 ? What the actual fuck ?

It had everything there was at the time to do with Samba Linux distro. I honestly figured he was grossly exaggerating and didn't believe him at first. I inquired about it at our college's book repository and was told it indeed was $399.99. I wish I could remember the name but that was around 6-7 years back.

I had a Linux teacher like that, too. He didn't hand around a flash drive, but he gave us the ol' wink wink nudge nudge that some of the students might have a copy that they could share if you "forgot your book." There were a few of us who spearheaded finding the latest version of each textbook, but ultimately distribution to classmates was easy since I ran a hidden SFTP server for my classmates.

I had fun doing it. I got to practice the skills I was learning, and everybody else enjoyed the free books. Win-win.

My college offer free unlimited cloud storage, so I've just been uploading everything I have there and sharing a link with people.

You're the hero every college student needs. I too shared the wealth of my textbooks with as many people in class as I could. Your method sounds a million times more efficient though.

Good guy teacher.

Sounds outrageous. Luckily I was never required to buy anything like that. Where I study most material is covered in class, if something's missing we find it in the library and share with friends. The professors will tell you which chapters are relevant. I guess that's how it is when your professors don't have an interest in selling books. In fact, even professors that do offer books they've written don't even mention it, unless you ask them specifically.

College teaches you all sorts of lessons that they don't necessarily intend. It teaches you to get your ass out of bed and make it someplace on time. It teaches you that personal hygiene matters. It teaches you that sometimes you have to kiss the ass of those with power over you to get what you want. And it also teaches you how monopolies fuck over captive markets.

With how many people graduate and know the cost of textbooks, how have we not gotten rid of this problem?

Because once they graduate, it's not their problem anymore.

Its funny that I pirate textbooks, but I will wait until the end of eternity for my favorite game to appear on GOG and buy it on a sale.

I do that because I like the fact that GOG is breaking into Steam's monopoly. I care more about piracy as a way to fight anti-consumer DRM than as a way to save money.

Its easy for English speaking countries but a hell for everyone else.

Do you not have university libraries? Or do they just not have textbooks? And if they don't have textbook what then??

They'll maybe have a copy of the textbook, but it will be one copy or three, and not the 200 copies they'd need for all the students taking that course.

Additionally that copy will be on reserve, you can't check it out (at least during the term, maybe in the summer).

I studied CS, and every professor is pretty clear about textbooks. "You can find them online." So other department required to buy them?

My professor made a joke about if u really couldnt find the pdf online u should think about switching majors

Used to work on a bookstore and was a cs major. Weirdly the cs program generally didn't have the book turnover that business and sciences had. They had a new book yearly even though much of the info doesn't change.

Meanwhile my masters courses this year are using books that are at least 7 years old

Is there a place that I can go and request textbooks to see if someone else might have it?

Your classmates 100%.

Username checks out.

Or offer them like $20 and a 6-pack. Who has time for pretend friends?

Why waste money on them your trying to get a book for free ;)

Because the sooner you realize that time = money, the better you'll do in life.

I can get someone in the first week of the semester to let me borrow their book and fully scan the thing by the time they are finish with their classes(or day) and meet at the library all in one day. Easy.

/r/Piracy maybe

Thanks!

I don't remember what i was thinking when i made that comment but it was pretty funny

Can't even be mad it was!

I'm not saying you should, but I heard a little rumor that if you Google "book name.pdf" it'll come up in the first 4 results. This is the only time you will hear me say that.

-one of my IT professor a few years back.

Best kind.

For what it counts, he also explained in detail how the college gets ISP warnings and copyright warnings all the time. And how the college detects piracy.

To a class for cyber security.

He was cool.

To a class for cyber security.

Hah. Your first practical exam.

At least three of the first four results will be fake PDFs -- some of which even have the TOC or passages from the book -- as a come-on for subscriptions to some sort of subscription or pay site.

My old IT teacher just let us copy his pdf files onto out own flash drives.

Engineering student here. If you're going to buy the books, look at the international editions. Same book but much cheaper

Does anyone have a copy of Thinking like an Engineer: An active learning approach 4th edition? Side note do professors care about editions?

How are they any different? I always avoided them because I was told they'd have different organization or different problems.

Yeah I worried about that until I bought one and compared it side-by-side with a US edition book. They were literally identical. I didn't check every single page and character, of course, but did do a thorough spot-check. The only difference I detected was the picture on the front cover and the "NOT FOR SALE IN US" icons all over it

Engineering books are the same concept that's all you need. As long as it has the concept the different organization or problems doesn't matter.

That's why I highlighted the different problems. If a professor says, "Do problems 1-30 in the back of the chapter" and your version of the text has a different 30 problems, you're gonna fail that assignment. I ran into this issue trying to use a chemistry text that was 3 editions behind. Every other problem was different than the current edition. Had to use the library copy for those problems.

I just paid $4.56 for mine, it pays to be poor and a burden on society.

I always just bought an old edition. They're usually like $4.

The best thing for old edition are probably Math books. Math hasn't changed for many many years it's still the same questions/concept but different numbers on newer edition books. No need to buy new editions and only get old editions for Mathis

Sane with history and art history. The Renaissance? Hasn't changed in oh, 500 or so years :P

Ironically, textbooks for my graduate program were cheaper than undergrad.

There's no reason at all for college text books to be so expensive. My wife just had a physics class where the book was $205 for FUCKING LOOSE LEAF PRINTED SHEETS. Not even the binder. Sure, she had an option for an actual bound book, but that was close to $400. And she had to pay like $75 for a digital content code on top of it.

It's a money grab plain and simple.

College itself is a money grab. You expect the accessories to be any different?

Not necessarily. Really depends on the college.

I went to a pretty well known school. I have a BS and MS in electrical engineering. It's good to get your feet wet but useful skills are taught on the job.

Quitters are losers

This is so true. If you absolutely have to get a textbook then I would strongly recommend you do not rent, at least when you buy it used/new you can(try) to sell it back to your bookstore for some cash back.

I've also bought books on amazon that i could not find online, took them to the library to make copies of everything and returned the books. It's scummy but you do what you got to do.

I came to the US for college with $800 to my name and nothing else. My physics 101 book cost $250.

Never again.

My college bookstore has all these expensive books for most courses which they offer full refund within 3 weeks of semester starting and proof of dropped classes. I scanned the books I need and element inspect my schedule as proof I dropped and get full refund. Win-win free books for everyone.

You can literally go to my school library and ask them to copy you a textbook, they'll do it for 0.1$ per page.

Serious question. I am getting back on the school wagon to finish my BA. I dont have a tablet, sorta. Whats good for pdf of books these days?

Will a kindle do a good job, or is there other choices out there?

I never thought of this. I know kindles will display PDF and you can read it anywhere, even use a search function. They're relatively cheap too. Anyone use a kindle for studying firsthand? Is it too slow?

I could get my tablet screen fixed, i have no doubt it could workhorse through it. BUTTTT, having one thing for the books would be good. :/

They're slow for most things, but they read pdfs just fine.

Cheap Chinese Android tablets from Aliexpres or used ones from Ebay / Craigslist should do the job.

Just make sure there's at leaet one gig of RAM and the Android version is not too oudated so you can run e.g. Coolreader and EbookDroid.

Don't do it. Reading pdf's suck and it will ruin your GPA as a result.

Textbook company I've released a new edition you have to pay five times as much for and all I've done is rearranged the chapters for the 11th time. Muahahahahahaha

Student That's cool bro I'll just pirate it

Textbook company But... that's unethical!

I just didn't buy text books unless the teacher yelled at me.

Or if I could find last years edition for under $10.

I passed a whole English literature class without reading the 14 books assigned.

That's actually how I learned how to pirate!

Anyone have advice on best way to pirate text books?

God bless the small amount of professors I've had that used Openstax textbooks for class

The Pirate never leaves the Man, the World forces him to stay.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but they can save you a lot of money.

$150 isn't even crazy for a textbook.

I remember having an engineering book that was over $600. For one book, for one semester. I'm not sure how many days are in a semester, but I bet it cost more per day than my typical lunch that semester.

What's the name of the book?!

I just posted this comment in another thread, but this is mostly how I found books:

[N.B. DO NOT use a search engine. Searching [Book Title] + epub or pdf or whatever and going to these sites is going to get you a fucking virus and most of all, waste your time.]

If you're a student, your .edu e-mail address can likely get you into many more libraries beyond the one at your school, including international universities, ivy leagues, and the UC system. This is your easiest start and you can directly search for electronic copies. You can also, most of the time, ask a librarian there to digitize something for you. It'll take a couple of weeks, but this helps with obscure stuff. The digital copies are protected, but there's simple, free software out that can help you remove the copy protection so you can convert it to PDF or whatever.

Lots of the books you'll find (especially older) are scanned, so they don't have searchable text features which is an important feature for me to have. I use Adobe Acrobat DC to scan the entirety of a book and make it text-searchable. This software costs money, but I already have a Adobe CC sub.

After searching libraries, search torrent sites. This used to be easier with a website like metasearch.torrentproject.com which searched across sites. I don't know if there's anything like that anymore, so you would have to go one-by-one. For most of the shit people read, you'll be able to find a clean copy on a torrent site.

If you still haven't found it, go to these safe websites:

https://openlibrary.org

https://www.gutenberg.org

Can't find it still? Go to (Holy shit, most of the best sites I used were totally nuked. Okay ... ) this one:

https://opentrackers.org/downloading-ebooks-textbooks/

This is the final step I'll include for you. This is one of the tutorials I used to help me find books online. Remember, DO NOT waste your time with search engines. The above site is a good starting point. I'm holding out on some links I have because I don't want those to get nuked too. There are some good private trackers in that list too. Speaking of which ....

If anyone has an invite to Karagarga, I'd be much obliged. I have a very fast connection and always maintain high seed ratios.

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/

Really the only site you need to bother with. Its great.

I think over the years there have only been like 2 books this site didnt have.

There are quite a lot of books it doesn't have, especially newer textbooks.

Totally agree. Earlier I tried it and it was down and I assumed it was permanently down so I'm glad to see it's up. I have found other more obscure stuff from other sites too which libgen didn't have. Some torrentors even put up something like 'sci-fi collection' that'll have a multitude of works. Just depends on what you're looking for.

Wait. Why would you ever be done with pirating? I CAN NOT COMPREHEND THIS!!

I feel so dumb. 1st year buying those damn textbook bundles. Some books we never even used. So wtf?

Who's textbooks are that cheep?

Lots? Mine averaged 70-250. There were a few 150s in there.

I average in the 200's

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I WISH my books were 150$

how about price it at a reasonable price for a fucking broke ass student and maybe i wont pirate it.

Haven't seen one of the greatest resources mentioned yet.

http://gen.lib.rus.ec

Throughout junior college, bachelor's, and now graduate program, there have been maybe 3 or 4 books I have been forced to buy that were not available to rent on Amazon or chegg.

I know some people have no choice due to financial aid checks, but it amazes how many people don't realize you can rent textbooks, especially online. My friend was clueless and didn't believe me along with my cousins. I didn't believe them when they told me they only bought their books from the school bookstore

Actually got away with only needing to spend about $180 for this semester... feel like a lucky dog.

Wow this is a stupid post. Is this whole sub like this? It's like a shitty facebook meme.

When I was in college; I couldn't pirate anything more than some mp3 or zipped up application/gane

Try abebooks.com and buy international editions of the textbook. Worked awesome for me in a science related major.

Hoping things work out for me I got 3/4th of my classes books for $70 at university. All from Amazon either rented or purchased. Hopefully I can save up if next semester is way worse.

/u/NFD9001 is doing the Lord's job with an app that scans Barcode and finds books in LibGen.

Only $150?

For stuff I can't find on libgen, I rent on Amazon and strip the DRM to get the regular PDF (azw4 is just a DRM wrapper) and upload that to libgen. Costs like $25 so that's good.

Patchy!!!!!

I'm gonna comment what I usually do on textbook posts: Stay calm and please don't yell at your schools bookstore employees! They have no control, publisher control prices, and most bookstores barely make any profit on textbooks. Be mad at Pearson and McGraw Hill, not the freshman Chris working behind the counter who has to not only buy $700 worth of textbooks, but deal with literal breakdowns from fellow students.

That's not true. Bookstore mark up textbook prices by 15-25%

Source: I work with bookstores

That is true for the store I worked at.

Source: I worked at a college bookstore.

This doesn't really work for me because I need the access codes that only come with new copies of the text.

Only in the USA™

$150.

lol

Man, try professional school. I think I had flash cards that cost that much.

Shit a brand new Chemistry book would've cost me $350. Used version would've been $275 if I bought it directly from the college website. Amazon helped me get it for $30 used :)

🎶 Ohhhh, who lives in a pineapple and can't afford books 🎶

Then you get the professors who say "You need to bring the book to class, and no electronic versions are allowed."

Print it?

My university buys them for the add the cost to tuition fees so we get ripped off once

I wish textbooks were available online back when I was in college. I spent thousands on books we barely read in class.

looks like Abraham Lincoln a bit aaaarrrrrrrgh!

I got two books for $400.18 but financial aid covered it

Fuck textbooks, they're revisioned and changed entirely every year so you have to buy the latest edition, despite not adding anything significant to the curriculum (even though much of it is loaned from the OEF open education framework), making used textbooks worthless. I'll smile as I pirate them. Fuck you making money on poor students.

Explain this done pirating concept, I do not understand.

The problem is a lot of college text books now have a one time use code to access certain chapter exams or other needed material. I remember my girlfriend complaining about the prices of her school books and I told her to either buy used or I can help her by downloading it online, she then told me that it was useless because she needed the online code that you only get from buying the text book new to complete her homework.

Bwahahahaha Americans...

150? That's an unusually cheap book. I've seen them go for double that more commonly.

ARRRRR YAA REEEADDYY KIIDDSS?

I can hardly ever even pirate any of them because my school keeps requiring the latest editions. Unless anyone has some... suggestions

Yar har fiddily dee, being a pirate is alright with me.

Shame one of my current semester's assigned textbooks has been impossible to find a PDF of (yes, even on the eBook resources posted here)

who ever says "im done with pirating things"??

Why is this sub just memes now?

I kinda like my collection of expensive books, I still use lots of them on current projects. .guess I get lucky with my professors, I don't generally have to buy Mickey mouse crap for hundreds of bucks, the books for my degree are good enough to want to keep around

$150 is on the low end. Also if you really don't want to pirate, Amazon textbook rentals can be a good option.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH You know how it goes

My chem book was $400 and my bio is $350, If they were 150 i would think about buying them

I love how it took this long for this to be posted as an image. Honestly, people say this all the time.

I can't seem to find my statistics book pdf, I guess it might be too new... can anybody help?

That was me with my business textbook. I found it online and everyone in the class thought I was a god

Hahaha I didn't pirate most of my books since I couldn't find them. I had to shell out hundreds of dollars and occasionally borrow/share with a classmate.

Have you not heard of that underground Chinese e-commerce website that sells "knockoff" textbooks for $10-$25?

Shit. I just spent 190 on one and thought it was too much.

Is this just a US thing or does other countries do this too ? What happens if you don't buy the book ?

Time to buy a xerox

Annually? Try per semester instead. It's outrageous.

They'll maybe have a copy of the textbook, but it will be one copy or three, and not the 200 copies they'd need for all the students taking that course.

Additionally that copy will be on reserve, you can't check it out (at least during the term, maybe in the summer).

/r/Piracy maybe

this needs to go on Apple ads

Yeah I worried about that until I bought one and compared it side-by-side with a US edition book. They were literally identical. I didn't check every single page and character, of course, but did do a thorough spot-check. The only difference I detected was the picture on the front cover and the "NOT FOR SALE IN US" icons all over it

Gotta hate it when you have to buy a book your professor wrote and it doesn't have a digital copy. The hard copy had to buy from a company and they issue no returns or refunds rip $300

Which one?

The best thing for old edition are probably Math books. Math hasn't changed for many many years it's still the same questions/concept but different numbers on newer edition books. No need to buy new editions and only get old editions for Mathis

Engineering books are the same concept that's all you need. As long as it has the concept the different organization or problems doesn't matter.

Your classmates 100%.

My University had a couple book scanners so you could make scans of the chapters you needed. It took forever but it was worth it usually

I never thought of this. I know kindles will display PDF and you can read it anywhere, even use a search function. They're relatively cheap too. Anyone use a kindle for studying firsthand? Is it too slow?

Wish the rest of the country would use it. Lottery funded finanical aid is the bomb.

I went for accounting and also had some professors make their own textbooks that were updated annually.

I guess for our fields though, it makes sense a bit due to new research (for nursing) and new government regulations (for accounting).

I did this last semester with my android tablet.

my university banned the compulsory use of those online aspects of textbooks

God I wish that was a rule everywhere. Which university did you go to? The online aspect is really the bad part. Often I don't even need the textbook and can learn well without it but there's no way to avoid paying $100+ for access to a shitty broken online component which is mandatory to not fail the class.

Congratulations on your doctorate! I am not sure of how college debt works; however if it is possible you may want to go full-on austere mode and try to pay it off in a 5 year (or less) period. That's a pretty heavy albatross to have hanging from your neck.

Cheap Chinese Android tablets from Aliexpres or used ones from Ebay / Craigslist should do the job.

Just make sure there's at leaet one gig of RAM and the Android version is not too oudated so you can run e.g. Coolreader and EbookDroid.

I can get someone in the first week of the semester to let me borrow their book and fully scan the thing by the time they are finish with their classes(or day) and meet at the library all in one day. Easy.

ITT tech?

Can I do that if I don't have an iPhone 5s?

Man if I were you I would live life like Im poor for 2-3 years. Set a budget of about 30-40 thousand. Thats enough for most people to live somewhat comfortably in most parts of the country. You can adjust for cost of living where you live. Then just dump like 90-100 thousand a year into your loans a year.

Print it?

You make around $5500 a paycheck. You make in 1 month what a lot of people struggle to make in a year. Stop crying. Live like a student for a few years and pay everything towards the principal.

I did somewhat the same. Overhead book scanner at my campus to scan the book then tossed it through an OCR (Abbyy Finereader) to recognize the letters/ words in the PDF to make searching for keywords easier. The teacher specifically chose a book that didn't have a digital copy. Annoying as hell when they do that.