Steam sales... right...

5242  2017-11-26 by Lamecat443

383 comments

Why didn’t the creator of this meme pirate photoshop and make it look clean

this was on the See My Vest page on FB

https://www.facebook.com/See-My-Vest-914002598629717/

If my country allows to use credit cards, I'd buy the shot out of steam

Can't you link it to a PayPal account and use that to buy stuff on steam?

Reason #2936372892 not to go to Southeastern Asia

Really depends on which country we're talking about.

Where can I get the utorrent remote control?

Your phone is one.

You just have to believe in it

Dont use utorrent

How about suggesting an alternative, instead of just saying "don't use this one."

qbittorrent

Qbittorent is best, Deluge is a close second.

My friend says thanks but where does he go since kickass torrents shut down?

For what kind of torrents?

br rips

demonoid.pw

Type 'Piratebay proxy' or 'Kickass proxy'. It will give you a list of them you can access. Or use a VPN.

Find a way into beginner private trackers

Rargb

and piratebay.

Pirate proxy

rarbg and pirate proxies serve most people.

Qbittorrent has a built in torrent search

Rarbg, 1337x.to and pirateproxy

I remember there's a specific utorrent version cut off point where all older versions are safe.

I'm still on 2.2.1

I can't remember what the normal alternatives are though

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How about Google "torrent client". Pick any one that isn't uTorrent. Ta-dah. You now have a client better than uTorrent.

Why not?

bullshit ads, low brow shit, etc. use transmission or the other 1000 good torrent clients

Thery had some controversy about bitcoin miner in the update.

Around year ago people found that it mine Bitcoins in parallel with downloading - https://www.engadget.com/2015/03/06/utorrent-bitcoin-miner/

And while it's in the past ... it's up to you, if you can trust them.

is this only in the newer versions? I've been using 2.2.1 for years with little issues

Is BitTorrent safe?

People choice currently is qtorrent, IIRC.
I can't answer about official BT client because I stopped using torrents year ago.

Yup, and few months ago it started to ask me if i want to downgrade one version, instead of update. That seems really shady. Also its full of ads.

Latest version is also stupidly slow which makes me think it's doing shit in the background again.
Was trying to work out why my sons i5 laptop was chugging, like 30-40 seconds to open chrome or word. Killed utorrent and it was like hitting the nitrous.

Step 1: delete utorrent Step 2: install qbittorrent Step 3: Install Teamviewer Step 4: remote control phone

Step 3: Install Teamviewer

You don't even need to do that. qbittorrent has a WebUI.

But does it allow a desktop client to manage a remote torrent server like deluge does?

Can you explain why step 3 and 4 are necessary?

Apparently they're not because according to about 50 people that told me qbittorrent has a web interface.

TeamViewer is a remote connection tool which you can download to access your phone, pc, tablet etc. It's really practical.

Thanks for explaining. I've been searching for something like this!

Thanks for explaining

qbittorrent master race!

What's advantages does that gain over just using the qbittorrent web interface?

Didn't know it had one :/

I prefer Chrome Remote Desktop

I don't want the Goolag spying on me

they already are.

I'm with you. It's one of the best ways to make a big screen work on a phone. No accidental clicks while moving and beautiful multi monitor support.

Plus it works on chrome in desktop too. I used to do 3D rendering on my home computer while I was at work

Wow, last I messed with it I remember it being very resource intensive and rather slow, I couldn't imagine running a modeling program. This was like years ago I feel like, has it gotten better?

I was wondering why on earth anyone would use utorrent over qbittorrent...glad at least someone mentioned it. qbittorent has its own web interface btw

But you need to know your computer's IP address and mine keeps changing regions.

This is true, you can set it to be a static IP though

I keep deliberately changing mine, it's static by default.

Use a dynamic DNS service.

I have a static IP from my ISP but I use a VPN and regularly change which country I'm in. Some countries servers offer port forwarding some don't, some are slightly quicker and sometimes I want to be in the US.

isnt that a built in checkbox that you can tick in windows 10 and everytime you connect it gives you a new one

No, it’s a service that automatically syncs your isp-assigned dynamic IP address with a domain name. There are several providers of that service.

What if I tell you to fuck off instead?

You seem desperate. Seek help.

Remember how I told you to fuck off?

Looks like you have some deep psychological issues. You should really try and get therapy. Acting an asshole on the internet could be a sign of a troll but what your comment history is showing is really fucked up. Hope you find help you need.

Wow. Stalker much? Seek help loser

I opened up your history because I was hoping you were a troll. Sadly, it's not the case.

I use a transmission cli instance on a Pi with a VPN with the Transmission client on my computers to control it. It’s also gotten a web interface.

24/7 seeding and downloading slow torrents without the worry of being busted by my isp.

Is there a guide anywhere for this sort of thing? I stopped torrenting after an email from my Internet provider, and I'm worried about starting up again. This setup sounds ideal for me

I just Googled a lot TBH. I run transmission-cli as I mentioned in combination with openvpn.

OpenVPN configs should be available trough your VPN providers and you can use the Transmission example configs to set that with remote access.

You should also get an FTP server or get familiar with SCP (safer).

Disable any remote logins please. Disable password login for SSH alltogether.

In the desktop client you can click "change session" and select the IP of your pi (including the port you just set up) and log in with the login you also just configured.

Right. I think I've got that. Thanks for this, gives me a nice first project for Pi and I'll never have to worry about giving EA my money again!

Mine is also running a DIY wakeup light ;) If you want to do some electrical thinkering and have trouble waking up.

Oh woah! I've always wanted to use a pi for pirating, initially as a media centre, but I had to pack that up when I got the warning. I can't wait to buy one and tinker with it

https://lifehacker.com/how-to-completely-anonymize-your-bittorrent-traffic-wit-5863380

That's one. I use the regular Private Internet Access VPN and it's by far the best I have tested in terms of speed.

Ah cheers mate, you're a lifesaver!

I laughed.

Haha yeah Steam "sales" are laughable. Unless it is 95% off. But nut much of that happening.

I torrent every now and then and still just spend 80€ on the steam sales...

I've always said if tv shows and movies had similar platform(s) and sales as we have for games I'd buy more media.

Imagine if to play a new release you had to go to a special games theater, pay the purchase price of the game to play it once, with lots of other people, after about 20 minutes of adverts, and any food or drink you want will be sold to you at a 1000% markup. And if you want it for keepsies, you pay again when it comes out for sale 6 months later.

So games conventions

Yeah exactly. Imagine going to one of those.

Yes! It was Steam that saw me first stop pirating games, because still brought more value than free pirated games. They Just Worked, can be installed and uninstalled at will without damaged/missing media issues (and disc based copy protection, which increased the likelihood of said media being damaged/lost), cloud saves, social tools, etc.

As I'm financially better off too, now, I use several paid but illegitimate methods to get my media. I'd FAR rather pay to get guaranteed quality and reliability, but particularly as I'm not in the US I have very few options. I do maintain a Netflix subscription, but still have to pirate a lot because they won't take my money.

I'm excited for movies anywhere to be available in my country. You guys can buy a movie online and see it in whatever service you want. Here we have just one service that just partnerships with some of the productions. So I don't own any digital movie apart from the free ones and one I bought on Google play.

Kind of like what YouTube red is doing?

I'm not really aware of what youtube red is doing. They're selling movies and tv shows at cheap discounts?

I look at it like this, if your movie isn't worth buying even at the 5 or 7 dollar bin at Walmart it's absolute trash ha

But I don't even buy my games at walmart or any retail location. My entire library is digital and I can download it at anytime.

can't download a steam link. i am not sure if i will ever use it, but i couldn't help but pick one up for that price.

The best deal was the steam link for about 5€ + 8€ shipping cost.

But still worth it. You can also stream your PC on your TV, not only Steam. So Kodi, Movies, other Games work too.

And its still cheaper than a raspberry.

I'm jealous you got that deal. It wasn't available in canada :(

Dammit Milhouse, those ratios are rookie numbers. SEED!

Wait.. are we Milhouse?

Wait.. are we Milhouse?

Everything is coming up Milhouse!

No, we dont use shitty utorrent i hope.

I use an old version of uTorrent. Works fine. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Please explain why qbitt or deluge I superior to utorrent?

Open source projects are usually better. Dont know about deluge, but what makes qbit good imo is search engine. Easy when i look up serials/movies quickly. ive had problems before with utorrent. And too lazy to make it adfree or other shit free. Not trustworthy.

qBitt Ftw!

yes..qbittorrent ftw. Very good to use and this search engine is cherry on the top. Alternative would be vuze, but takes too much room/resources imo.

I started using deluge, cause qbit was making tons of random folders :(

i always manually put destination folder. When u do it once for every destination u use, next time just select from drop down menu.

Damn, I hate those folders, but other clients I tried had issues with Empornium...

Lol what? Just set a drive as destination folder and thats it. Never had this folder problem

Same, if qBitt is making random folders it's because it's not configured correctly.

Did you have the automatic torrent management on in the settings. Because the auto mode creates folders based on the torrent categories that have been set up and automatically moves downloads to the folder matching their category. Personally I like this feature cause it keeps my download folder organised.

Nah, they were folders named with random letters and numbers, in the same folders as the completed downloads.

Those are your partially downloaded folder

Iwhy don't they go away then? And why are there like 20 when I'm downloading 1 thing?

If you cancelled the download then it might not have deleted the folders and they will build up.

Not the case. I know it seems like that problem by I'm pretty sure is something weird. I specifically tried to cancel them all and see what happens 1 new download at a time and everytime I added one, 20 or so folders were created. Doesn't matter anyway, deluge is working fine and from what I read about it it's basically the same thing.

It's not necessarily one folder per download. Its probably keeping separate chunks in different folders.

It should contain all of these folders in a single folder but you may have your folder locations incorrect.

lol

Deluge has leaks that can be picked up by copyright trolls if you’re using a VPN proxy. Got 2 hits. Switched back to utorrent and not another issue.

Try Transmission.

I've never had this folder problem with qbittorrent

I do...

Deluge.

qBitorrent

I miss having rss feeds automatically download what I wanted. I miss utorrent and Kickass. :/

Don't know about anyone else but mine totally still does that, it's a great way to find out a new season of a show's out by coming home and finding it all downloaded and ready for you.

Are you using utorrent? What site do you use to subscribe to feeds?

Qbit and Sonarr

I use utorrent on Mac and it’s not thaaaat bad.

you should use transmission

Libtorrent + rtorrent + rutorrent

I use utorrent on Mac and it’s not thaaaat bad.

I use Tixati, free no ads, clean simple ui, never had a problem with it

There's dozens of us! Dozens!

But utorrent 2.2.1 is awesome

Is 2.2.1 one that actually supports RSS feeds properly?

Why anyone would ever leave 2.2.1, I'll never know. Get off my lawn, now.

I tried leaving because of this sub recommending QBTorrent. My computer started getting random BSoDs when I was running it. Needless to say I switched back.

There's something seriously wrong if a torrent client causes BSODs.

Went back to the old uTorrent and never had one again, so you tell me...

The only thing I could think of is that torrent programs use some low level disk caching algorithms that might have broken something.

Possibly. I don't know why I'm getting downvotes for sharing what happened to me.

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Because it takes a whopping 60 seconds to turn off ads on uTorrent. Oh, and they stay off with every update so it isn't like you have to redo it.

It's just a dumb excuse not to use uTorrent when it's very publicly known how to disable ads in the settings. Especially when this is a fucking piracy subreddit.

yes

The baddies

2017 is the darkest timeline.

dankest

Wait, there are other timelines?

THRILLHO

It's so funny; when I go to the other subs and mention anything about everyone complaining the price is so high and I say, "It's free if you pirate it" I get downvoted to the depths of hell.

How dare you threaten their moral superiority?!

Steam games can get so cheap that I rather help the companies. There a justifiable point when it comes to Piracy that I least want to feel good about myself.

All the games I actually want are insanely expensive for how old they are.

Phantom Pain only 20% off, XCOM 2 still super expensive despite being over two years old, Dragons Dogma, Fallout 4, pretty much everything is way too expensive for my taste.

Sadly, good games tend to discount slower.

you can pirate fallout 4 very easily

Keep an eye on Humble Bundle and Humble Monthly. Both XCOM 2 and Dragon's Dogma (amazing game) were $12 USD a while ago

i pirated games from the 90s all the time cause i had no money. i was feeling nostalgic one day and wanted to play them again. i didnt have my burned discs any more so i went looking. didnt find a lot of them on torrents, so i found them legit for like $10. i happily paid that, and $5 for doom 2.

i haven't paid full price for a game yet, just capitalizing on sales. i've kept a spread sheet of my steam purchases, i've spent roughly $160 for 24 games that would've cost me close to $600 at full price. plus 14 games for free.

i know this isn't really the right sub for this kind of talk, but i can accept that price point.

i pirate all single player games , this saves me massive amount of money to buy co op and multiplayer games at huge sales

i only buy co op and multiplayer on sales

i never buy a game newer than 3 months old ( this gives t6ime for bugs in game to be adressed and for sales to start )

i pay attention tio reddit game deals , and i look for the free games , ui average about 4 free game offers a month

never look at it like your buying or pirating a game ,

look at it like your building a library , for as cheap as possible

i have a massive amount of games for very little money

i have 8 terabytes of single player games pirated , and my steam gog urigin uplay library is equally as large

I agree. I have ~50 such games. Never played on stream but still bought.

Not a pirate here: Which game do you recommend actually buying? My girl gave me a 50€ gift card for steam and I was going to spend it on divinity original sin 2 but then I realized that it was a turn based strategy game. I want some real time rpg action. Any recommendations?

only ones i can think of off my head that aren't terrible are Lord of the Rings: War in the North or the Mass Effect series. actually Mass Effect sounds right up your alley.

you can play the Dragon Age series that way but it makes it way harder.

you can play it real time?

All of those, yeah.

Dragon Age: Origins was intending to be more "pause and think" type, but you can brute force it into an action rpg by just not pausing. It's just a lot harder that way. As Dragon Age progressed (thru Dragon Age 2 and Dragon Age: Inquisition), it leaned a lot harder towards the real-time action rpg type game.

nice! thanks man!

Mass effect series, from the beginning although 1 is dated and mechanically rough; your decisions matter in future titles. Don't save scum in any of them, make your choices permanent.

It's an awesome experience.

Yeah I loved the ME series. Part 2 was my favourite. But the third one: I wont pay money for that shit.

I dunno, I loved the third. Too bad they didn't finish it; an ending would have been nice. shrugs Still, I'd rather we go with no ending than a last 15 minutes that utterly ruined the series for me.

How plot heavy do you want your RPG? Top down or first/third person?

I've enjoyed a fair few ARPGs but they're closer to Gauntlet than Skyrim or the Witcher, honestly. Victor Vran, Grim Dawn, Van Helsing, etc.

Sometimes piracy is more convenient. If there's a GoG version of the game I don't give a shit how cheap it is on Steam, I'm grabbing the GoG .exe

Dan Carlin talked about this. Our greatest enemy is piracy we gotta charge just enough that they feel guilty for not buying it

Tru I would pirate stuff all the tiem when I was younger. Now if it's an artist or whatever I really believe in, then I pay for sure. Various movies are still free game tho

For fuck sake, mgs5 was like $4. That's insane.

I Bobby Terreria for 5 bucks. No brainer

I don’t have a gaming rig, I just have a MacBook Pro 2014 with BootCamp and have purchased a ton of Steam games that were on sale, I also have many consoles/handhelds where I spent most of my gaming time because I’m a lazy ass which don’t like to manually plug in my Mac to AC, the PS3/PS4 and the HDMI as well, opening Steam and having a headache with the graphic panel (I’m looking at you Sonic Generations).

In that specific scenario would it hurt if I pirate?

Agreed. The only games I pirate are games like the Sims 4 where a fucking expansion pack costs as much as the game. Plus EA can go fuck themselves.

That wouldn't be so bad but every once in a while they reset everything and start a new base game where they will add the same expansions again. Like they recently released pets for sims 4 for example.

yeah, and even then UNLIKE previous pets expansions it's limited to just cats and dogs.

I bought Virginia today, an indie title with an amazing soundtrack.

I had downloaded it a while back and liked it enough to wait for a sale.

They must be doing pretty poor in sales, as I got it for 1.26$ and felt bad buying it considering the amount of work they put into it.

Also bought Original Sin for 15$

Deus Ex Mankind Divided is also incredibly cheap, but if you guy their main bundle that gives you all the previous titles, you end up getting the game and its DLC for almost 4$ cheaper (and more if you already own any of the previous titles like GOTY)

I have always purchased what I believe to be a good game/movie/music.

It's a double edged sword. I don't mind paying if the game is really good or old and cheap, but if the game is old and expensive, like $20 4 years after release, then fuck'em, torrents it is.

expensive $30

Pick one

That could be expensive for someone. Especially if the game has been out for 4 years.

4 years after release

$30

Pick one

Activision still charges $30 for the first Black Ops and the discounts are pitiful. Hell, the first Call of Duty game is still being sold for $13, $20 w/o a sale.

I'll always help the indie game devs.

Last indie game I bought it was actually impossible to win. 80 odd hours playing it and got kicked on the streets just as I thought I'd won it. Somebody went through the code and found there were only two endings and both were bad.

I bought that game, can you elaborate on the problem you're talking about? Do you mean that the game is physically unbeatable or that there is no "good" ending? Would you recommend playing it?

Out of the two options that the game can end with apart from getting arrested or killed half way through. Both of the are anti-climatic with you getting fired or forcibly retired. Theres no happy ending. Which I suppose is a metaphor for life really in that this game only ends one way.

Hhaha that sounds like my kinda game. Id definetly buy it

I thought at the beginning of the game (I played maybe the first 2 hours) you are told that you will be "retiring" in 180 days, and so the whole point is to make enough money for retirement? I found the game to be bleak in an interesting way, I'm hoping to play it soon.

You get told that but then other stuff happens so you carry on.

I always try to buy a game if I can and if the developer/publisher isnt a total cock. I want to support game devs because I do know making games is a lot of work, not so much the entire "Games are expensive" excuse we hear, but I know if I put a lot of work into something, I'd like to be paid for the hard work I put into it. That and I know what it feels like to put a lot of work into something and someone just take it, heck I know what it feels like to put effort into making something and someone steal it and pass it off as their own. I know my 20 dollars may not mean much, but its still 20 dollars and could pay for a good dinner or something. I dont want to pirate a game and play it 100%. What I want to do is pirate a game, play it for a few hours, and if I find myself not wanting to put it down or if I find myself coming back to it over and over, I will buy it if I can. Because I do want to support them if theyre good. I just dont want to pay 20-40-60 bucks for a game, then it not run on my computer, or play like garbage, or be garbage, or be one of those overhyped messes that is dead a few days after launch. I want to make sure that it runs good, plays good, and is fun to me, because I know that if a game is fun for tons of people, I might still hate it, and I would be pissed that I payed so much money for it. Heck I have 3 games on my steam thats a reminder every time I see them that I hate them and I should have never bought them.

What are they?

The games I regret? GRID, Goat Simulator, and dark souls 1 prepare to die edition. Dont get me wrong, some people like them, heck I like the first dark souls myself, but it runs like straight ass and I'm pissed that I spent so much on it to have to fix it my damn self. Grid looked fun, is fun, plays fun, this coming from someone who doesnt even like racing games, but is so buggy and broken, and isnt even available on the store anymore. Goat simulator seemed fun, but to be honest it was boring and bland, buggy and broken, and made promises it couldnt keep.

heck I like the first dark souls myself, but it runs like straight ass and I'm pissed that I spent so much on it to have to fix it my damn self.

To be fair, the developers didn't intend to port the game on PC and only did so after a pretty popular petition garnered over 90k signatures. Also it was their first PC port at a time where japanese developers were barely starting to enter the PC market, so that might be why it wasn't the best port.
Even if DSfix is pretty good at what it does, I can get why someone would want their games working perfectly out of the box!

Goat Simulator

You set yourself up for disappointment there. It was never meant to be anything more than a joke. It got taken too far, and the dude made some serous coin off of it.

It’s not a great game, but it was fun and it lived up to its name. Literally a game that lets you play as a goat. The only way I could imagine it being false advertisement is if you expected to play a goat that lives on a farm.

For what it's worth it wasn't falsely advertised. I bought it and played it like twice, once vanilla and once with a bunch of mods. The best one was like a rocket goat mixed with like a DMT shader mod that would only kick in randomly and the goat's would start tripping out all psychedelic like. I got it on sale for like 10$ and had a great time with it playing in front of my friends who all had a good laugh and the absurdness of it. I could see someone being disappointed thinking it was something greater than the hype for it but I knew it was going to be someone's glitchy unreal engine project.

Yeah, it's a game for "I just want to laugh at ridiculous shit". People who moan about it being buggy aren't really it's intended audience

The question, though, is if the bugs and glitches are intentional, are they actually bugs and glitches?

Oh definitely, but the issue I had was that it had actually breaking bugs, like crashing computer bugs. I mean it was fun and goofy and shit, but after you done the goofy stuff for a good 20 minutes you were done, and it lost all novelty within that time. And I played all the dlc which was fun as well, but my biggest issue was I saw a lot of other people playing it, and having fun, and laughing, and then I got it and I never had that much fun, it was like "Oh the physics are funny, his head flops around when he climbs ladder, let me lick this car and glitch into the air... and now my computer locked up." which was a severe disapointment to me. I mean I know it was meant to be a joke but I was severely let down by it because I feel everyone said it was more fun than it actually was when I got it which is why I was so disapointed in it.

It was certainly over hyped, and played up in a lot of videos. Nerdcubed echoes my feelings on the game perfectly. If you try to parody bad games with a bad game, you end up just adding a bad game to the pile.

If you take the premise of a host running around causing chaos, you could potentially have a fun game, but you'd need to actually polish it, and add some escalation and progression.

As it sits, it's repeating the "glitches are funny" joke in a deliberate and repetitive way. Glitches aren't glitches if they're intentional.

As for ghee watching people play it, and not enjoying it as much as they appeared to, I find that, particularly with less in depth games, you've seen the entertaining bit and it's now lost its impact.

What upsets me is paying more to "back" an incomplete game then when it's "released" it's cheaper than what I payed for it. It feels like a betrayal.

Planetary annihilation and elite dangerous, too came a couple.

Not denying that that is a shitty feeling, but that is when they need the money most. Also people are already paying out of a sense of sponsorship so are most likely cool with the higher price.

You know you can refund them through steam right lul

Can confirm, I bought Hyper Light Drifter as soon as I read the history behind the developer, I knew I was going to love the game anyways... but if it helps/motivates them to keep making good games, why shouldn't I?

just bought prison architect and immediately played for like 8 hours.

Factorio 👌👌👌

Pirated, lost about a week of my life, bought it 3 times.

I'm the same. Just not for Activision or EA. Multiplayer is with it but if I just want a single player campaign then I'll buy it from piratebay

I pirate only when their pricing makes zero sense. I'll always pay a reasonable amount for games.

Yeah, this post got an eyeroll for this reason.

Same - I've done enough over the years when I couldn't afford things where I actually am happy (?!) to pay for the games. I'm not at WinRAR purchasing level, yet, though ;)

7zip is way better anyway

Not long ago, I figured "Hey, I've used this shareware program for decades, I should pay for it!". The last 5 years has seen me finally not in the depths of poverty and I've been doing what I can to give back.

Opened WinRAR, and clicked through the buy WinRAR links.

Then I saw what they wanted for a single non-commercial license. That day, WinRAR was uninstalled and I went to 7zip.

Not because 7zip was better, and not because 7zip was free, but because holy fucking Christ that's an absurd amount of money to ask for a program that's so easily replaceable. I didn't use WinRAR because it offered anything special, but rather just out of convenience.

So, dude lost another sale. I honestly don't get where he gets off charging what he does for something with objectively superior open source alternatives.

I rather help the companies

As a long time pirate, i've only recently starting buying games when they are cheap enough that i can afford them on my shit salary.

Am i helping anyone if i buy a 5-10 year old game for 5 bucks? I mean i feel better because i paid for something that i enjoyed but is it helping anyone anymore? Will the devs see anything after that time or just publishers?

Devs don’t get a cut of the sales. They get paid a base amount to create the game

Well I feel a bit better now.

Same goes for big bands, right? They get paid a set amount for an agreed on number of albums - excluding smaller bands who album sales really matter for.

No, usually the artists now a days get royalties. That’s why people like Taylor Swift wanted to keep her music off Spotify so more people would have to buy it.

No but thats exactly what I find disturbing with them. This endless proprietary hoarding and artificial scarcity manipulation of prices. Plus I do not find that I should pay for a 10 year old game for example. No more work is being put into it and there is nothing being produced, it's just code in the ether.

So I tend to buy 2-3-4 games a year once they come out to support the developers actually developing something. Though I will occasionally buy a humble bundle to support charity and indie developers.

I do hope these words convince you to do the same.

So you think creative work should be free after 10 years, because it’s just bits and bytes in storage media? That’s ridiculous.

No, creative works should not be free. If you create a book or a picture you are not obliged to reproduce it for free to me.

Ideas should be free as they always have been during mankinds existence. But as a gift from mankind to authors and creators of such work we should bestow upon them the right to claim exclusivity for what ever time is reasonable to reap back the expenses and then some. I think that arbitrarily speaking 10 years is good enough for that.

If you actually want to have an indepth discussion about this then I would like to see an intelligent reply to this that takes into account what I just have said.

Meaning, I am committing no acts of violence of theft or anything akin to this for copying a book I have in my possession.

Do you then understand that it is society, through its benevolence that gives the creators of certain works exclusive rights to these and thus bars other human beings from coming up with the same ideas? Even if they are separated by time and place.

Copyright is not a defensive action. It is the imposition of the threats of violence and incarceration by the state upon the public if they choose to copy something in their possession.

Thanks for the response. So if society has decided that copyright is the law of the land and is working under those rules, but you decide that 10 years is enough, then it’s not theft anymore?

Call it whatever you want, but if I’m a talented game dev that contributed to Crono Trigger or something and you never buy it but play it on an emulator, you’re stealing from me and royalties I expect to make.

Well, I don't believe in royalties. And laws can label the usage of rainwater as theft (see certain states in the US). It doesn't make it so cause a law is written about it.

Roaylties were historically payed for people who copied and sold works of art and literature on a mass scale. Before that royalties were payed by royalty for mining resources under your land.

Anyway, you as a developer obviously do not care about me as a consumer. You are not putting work into updates of that old Crono game, you are not porting it to new consoles, you are not bundling it with anything new. So why should I care about you and your "royalties".

So if something isn’t “new”, it’s not worth paying for? Even if it still has value because people want to use it?

No, again. It's never worth paying for something that I can easily copy myself using the tools that I own and have worked to provide for myself.

But out of kindness and recognized necessity I am willing to give these people a certain time window to recoup their losses and make a profit until we come up with a better system.

It's not about value. It obviously has value, but as I have already shown to you, so did other ideas in our history. We survived and thrived by as the powers today would label "stealing" each others ideas, improving on them and reproducing them.

The wheel has value today. Imagine copyright that could be passed on as some some sort of stock and imagine every person paying royalties to use the wheel today. Obviously completely ridiculous.

So as we live in a capitalist society these authors and developers and what not need a way to get payed for their work. But the rights that we bestow upon them are ours to choose. They are not natural rights.

No, again. It's never worth paying for something that I can easily copy myself using the tools that I own and have worked to provide for myself.

you're justifying "copying" as if you're literally recreating the entire game yourself, literally re-using the same code, redrawing the same characters, compiling, etc, as if you're putting in even any effort into "copying" like someone who had to physically build a wheel. you aren't doing that lol. this isn't a comparison

You know what the ultimate irony is? This guy is basically making the case for DRM.

But technology gives me this opportunity. I've said it plenty of times but I think Communism was some 200 years too early to actually work though socialism was a historical necessity born out of oppression. 1500 years ago anyone copying a book as considered an artisan. Then came the printing press and people started protecting the slabs used in the prints like gold. Still a good printer was not a dime a dozen and such things like royalties did not exist. As tools made it easier and easier and as actual workers went from the material to the immaterial there also became a lot more authors to share in the not so rapidly growing bubble of consumers.

So tougher and tougher laws were enacted, often times at the behest of the publishers that due to the extreme competition also often had the authors trade away their rights for longer and longer periods.

Today it is the norm that publishers own you as an author or creator. Or at least your works, forever. Just for providing that initial funding.

And now how do you think that these publishers make these books? Do they sit there, meticulously hand-writing each letter? Binding the books as in the old days. Designing each binding to suite the customer? No, of course not.

Besides, even if we take the wheel. The it's not like an industrial plant stamping out a thousand wheels a hour per worker is the same as someone 2000 years ago handcrafting one, now is it?

In 20 years when I can 3D print my own car wheel, will you tell me that I am "not putting in the effort" then as well?

What will you compare it to then?

i appreciate the reply and this has definitely got me thinking on the topic; i agree with you on points especially that as we enter a "post-material" era we are definitely going to have to change how we think and handle these kinds of situations.

but, currently, if everybody adopted your ideology then nobody would create beyond sustenance because they would starve

Dude, that's what I'm saying. 10 years should be pretty good to get something out of anything worth the while. Even that is too much but some things like professional literature or fringe documentaries just do not have the following necessary even though they are quality works.

Cheers, thanks for the discussion

you're just wrong about this, intellectual property laws have existed since ancient greece: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/intellectual-property/

i don't think anyone is arguing that copyright should last forever, but creators should at least be protected from being ripped off in their lifetime. at least while we're living in a capitalist society that still requires money to live.

Some obscure reference to chefs being granted a 1 year exclusive right is neither an argument for nor against my points. Besides, my 10 year suggestion is quite generous compared to what the Greeks apparently thought.

my point is that the idea of authors or artists being entitled to the fruits of their labor isn't new as you seem to think, that's just one example. maybe i'm biased as an artist but i think if you actually worked to create something you might feel differently about seeing people steal it based on some arbitrary time limit of when it loses value.

I think 10 years is too short of time for copyright, but I don't think you can look at our current copyright laws as a barometer of morality set by society. They have been horribly manipulated by corporations, I think going back to copyright laws prior to Disney lobbying would be fair.

I agree. What I don’t agree with is the other poster absolving themselves from theft just because they feel it’s unfair.

You can't buy Crono Trigger so why would I feel bad pirating it?

If you actually can’t then I agree with you, go for it. In the US it’s available on lots of formats.

Well I guess I haven't looked in like 5 years. Yea their chance was 5 years ago when I binged a bunch of rpgs. I did rebuy FF9 on PS3 at the time tho.

I need to get FF9. I bought it but never gave it a chance when it came out, now everyone says it’s one of the best in the series.

Yea pretty much 10 is good too tho.

I read most of all your other comments here.

While I don’t necessarily agree with everything you said I think it’s important that people understand that art being produced for profit is a relatively new thing and that intellectual property is a very disagreed upon topic internationally.

Before, artisans has rich benefactors. That was the system. Now the rich make money from the artisans from the proletariat. Different system entirely.

Copyright isn’t simply about paying creators for their work it’s a much more complex issue and the control of information is something everyone should be concerned about.

Here on reddit every post is about new neutrality and how it’s important that information is not controlled yet copyright is similar in principle.

At the corporate level copyright disputes are never ending because it’s big money. Money affects laws through corruption so it’s really not a small issue.

And there is middle ground. Look at Creative Commons for example.

My point is that it’s a very complex issue that shouldn’t be made from only the “Do creators own their content?” scenario.

I'd suggest it's more than surely they've made their money at that point?

I’ve just realized what sub I’m in haha. I would argue otherwise, creators deserve to be paid for things they created regardless of when they created it.

Why? They got paid for their work. The benefit they'll receive would only be relatively small at that point compared to the use it might have being apart of the public domain. I think 10 years sounds like a good starting point, but there would need to be mechanisms for extending it in certain circumstances.

I just think it's a bit daft having to still pay to sing happy birthday on a TV show, so many decades after it was written.

That I will grant you is kinda bullshit.

Look at how patents work. I'm not saying I agree but there is precedence for what he's saying.

I usually won’t pay for a 10 year old game, I pirated the original deus ex, for example, but I’m sure as hell gonna buy the original battlefront 2.

Explain that to me. Unless it has to do with multiplayer capability .

I bought the original Battlefront 2 because when it's on sale, it only cost me $2.49. Also their servers were put back online recently.

I mean that's cool, server maintance isn't free and all but I'm just saying it won't impact EA per sé. Plus Deux Ex was a fucking revolutionary game. It's a masterpiece :P

Voting with his money, showing EA that we'd rather buy an unmolested version of Battlefront 2 than the pretty yet garbage new version.

Well this is when if I were to be kind would cal you uninformed and if I were to be cruel I'd just call you dumb.

Lucarts is a different publisher from EA. They won't see anything. Not that buying an older game from EA would be a way to 'shove it in their face'. Not buying a product from EA would. Which you indeed won't if you buy Battlefront 2. But then I'd rather see you spend your money on something recently published and/or currently in development than something that is 12 years old.

That's the whole point. EA wont see any money from buying it.

Yeah but neither will they notice.

I'm the opposite, bought Deus EX, and years later bought it again in the Steam sale because I'm so outrageously lazy I can't be arsed to find the cd and put the key in to install it.

I must have half a dozen pirated games on my system, but I've got six hundred games on my steam account.

I understand what your point is, but saying you should pay for content others created 10 years ago sounds incredibly entitled. How many products do you actuality buy that don't have any more work being put into them? It's just code, would be saying you shouldn't have to pay for old books because they're just words.

Well the problem is that code lasts forever, as do ideas. Ideas used to be free. In the old world if someone invented something everyone bought it (the physical product) and then copied it. That's how ideas spread, that's how we got gunpowder and algebra in Europe.

It's not entitled. They are not producing it, I can just copy it.So I am copying it. This is the post material world and we need a post-material ideology to deal with it.

Feel free to execute the idea for free. Devs are not charging for the idea.

Not only that, but pirating games is a pain in the ass. Cracks, missing out on patches and updates, multiplayer not working (or risking a ban).

Honestly I'd rather just pay 10 bucks and have a legit copy with auto-managed updates.

Yeah.. I repurchased Witcher 3 on steam just so I didn't have to deal with finding the patches for the GoG version (didn't want to dl their client), but also to get the xpacs.

I just bought Witcher 3 on GoG. It's my first GoG game. I haven't installed anything yet. What's wrong with their client before I get too deep into this?

It's fine, you just have to tell it to download the patches sometimes but it shouldn't be like that anymore now that all the dlcs are out and patches.

gog is awesome , we have 3 gaming computers in our living room wife me son , we buy a game on gog and since its drm free we only need to buy it one time and all three computers can play it at the same time on three different accounts , we only paid for saints row 3 on my sons account , but me and my son was able to co op that game together on 2 different accounts on 2 different computers , because all gog games are drm free , even with gog galaxy running and on 2 different accounts

gog is better than steam

Nothings wrong with their client, I just don't want 10 clients for games trying to startup with my computer.

Windows? "Programs that start with Windows" or something similar.

Click the box next to what you want to disable on start-up and Bam, Bob's your uncle.

Really everything but system stuff and things you know you'll need should be disabled.

You can set them so they don't start with your computer.

Then there's the issue of them starting a huge update process when I actually try to start the game.

You don't have to update when running GOG games, that's my favorite thing about them.

Yep. But what I don't want is to pay $60 for a game, have to pay another $40 to get the "full" game because of day-1 DLC, then have the entire game's economy and mechanics engineering around microtransactions and gambling simulators. Those are the games I pirate.

But what about a sense of pride and accomplishment?

Can you torrent that as well?

Yes, I can torrent Dark Souls :P (I bought it tho cos it's actually a good game without shitty monetization)

Yeah just don't play those games. Don't even talk about them, just let them fall off the planet so we never get anything like them again.

There are few games that are like that and most of them are EA games like Battlefront and FIFA

How FIFA? Sure you can spend real money on packs but you can just easily make a good team without ever spending any coins on packs. I've never spent money on packs and always started with a gold team by trading on the EA webapp when it's out 2 weeks/a month before the actual game, the free packs help too. Even if someone has the best possible team in the game they won't be better than other players, could easily lose to some 35k budget team.

Maybe not the lootboxes, but pretty much every AAA game released these days uses a tiered pricing mechanicsm so that it seems like they're only charging $60, but the $60 only gets you a hollowed-out shell of a game and you have to spend $100 on the "gold" edition to actually get all the content.

There's a difference in paid DLC and abhorrent MCT's. I really don't mind if there's some extra content to expand the game at a later point.

But yes, day one patches, paid in-game-currency, and loot boxes are all instant notifications for me to not play.

Pretty sure Witcher 3 wasn't like that unless you think it's too old to be "nowadays"

No it wasn't but CDPR is kind of the exception I think. The vast majority of AAA publishers are doing this shit, not neccessarily all of them though.

I heard similar things about the staff/dev team that made Metro, so I wonder if it's an Eastern European cultural thing. I'm not justifying it at all, just curious from a socioeconomic point of view.

Huh, didn't know about the employee shifts, that's interesting

I dont even bother pirating this shit, there are much better games out there

I haven't pirated a game since I got out of college. Just not worth the hassle.

Pirate dlc, buy base. The amount of dlc for games is getting out of hand.

How easy is it to torrent games? I’ve never really done it but if it’s gonna save me some money I’m interested!

Get a good antivirus, if you're new you may need it.

As easy as clicking "Buy" on steam.

Steam install the game for you and you don't have to c/p a crack in the right folder.

I've seen a lot of people complain about cracked games not working because they:

1) don't know what an .nfo file is

2) don't know games aren't always pre-cracked

I can't even remember the last time I've had to copy-paste a crack to play a game. Nowadays, the installers take care of everything, especially if you download a repack version.

Where from though, I’ve tried once and seem to always get virus riddled games with cracks that don’t work.

Google 'fitgirl repacks'. About as easy as game piracy gets.

They have a great GTA V crack, I'm still surprised that after what like 3 years now it still goes for 60$.

4 years and it's an ever growing online experience

Indeed, WOW is engaging and it keeps on adding content, so it's still raking in the millions 12 years later.12 year old Call of Duty/Fifa/Madden however? Not so much.

Imagine if CoD did the same thing and just kept adding content and game modes? Instead of all the MWs and BOPS and whatnot we could have advanced movement vs boots on the ground game modes and etc.

This is the kind of platform I want to build with my crazy-probably-won't-succeed-according-to-some game idea. There won't be a Gods and Goddesses 2, just new story chapters: https://twitter.com/GodsGoddessGame

Imagine if CoD did the same thing and just kept adding content and game modes?

Then it would be called Rainbow 6 Siege. lol

I happen to agree, Siege is a multi game-mode Ubisoft Equivalent of COD, just with Gadgets.

The last game I paid money for was DukeNukem3D... piracy is the only way to go.

So you've never played good multiplayer with hacker protection?

If you don't know what you're doing, don't. My buddy downloaded the new South Park game from pirate bay or something like that and found a coin miner hiding in the installer. If you're new to piracy start with smaller, less popular apps until you figure out some of the common issues, workarounds, and fixes.

Download, you might have to unrar, read .nfo file in Wordpad or something, follow instructions. Usually you install the game as per normal and then either copy some folders over from the crack folder to the program folder or run the crack. The latest cracks just let you run their program, you choose where to install it and it does the rest for you. It's very rare to get glitches in the game from scene groups. Sometimes the developers will release a cracked version that's designed to fail eg. Batman can't glide in the developers cracked game and gliding is about two thirds of the first level. Or in one Game Developer Sim you'll always loose because everybody gets the pirate version so you go bankrupt.

Yup. 40% off? I've learned my lesson before... the two hour refund limit is not enough time to confirm whether or not Shadow of War is another piece of shit repetitive cash grab.

And what do you know? Four hours later, and I am so bored I want to kick myself for even bothering to download it.

I mean, if you took any time to investigate shit, you could have just watched the gameplay videos from youtube and determine that the game isn't for you after that.....or maybe buy Shadow of Mordor first which is much cheaper

Videos? You mean 90% of some ridiculous youtuber's fake persona and 10% gameplay? I don't have the patience to spend even ten seconds watching that garbage, and that is before even taking into account their awful taste being completely irrelevant to me.

I did play Shadow of Mordor when it first came out, though, and Shadow of War is a definite improvement. I think I deleted Shadow of Mordor after two or three hours.

I commend you for putting in the effort. It couldn't have been easy to find that, and it was more likely than not that it didn't even exist.

Funnily enough, that video makes the game look even worse than it is because it is being played on easy.

It was on the first page

It's very easy. When searching for gameplay type in the game and then type "long play" after it. Problem fixed.

Steam sales are OK at best now, this meme about steam sales hasn't really been true for a few years now.

True. At least not during any other "sale" other than the Steam Summer Sale.

I assume the sale prices are picked by the developers. Steam hardware is discounted a lot. I picked up the Steam Link when it was $1 (+ ICEY for $8 which I refunded afterwards).

Steam summer/winter sales have been terrible(in comparison) and those are what I'm in reference to most.

Ever since digital games started to start matching the price of physical one, the steam sales have been dire since.

Depending on how long you've been using Steam, isn't it just likely that all the games that you were going to buy with a discount have already been bought? As a result, you only see the games that you weren't going to buy anyway, and therefore get a survivorship bias regarding the quality of Steam sales?

No that isn't it at all, go back 5 or so years ago and look at the big sale pricing of big games in comparison to how they are priced now during the sales. The big games now do not receive as much as a discount in comparison to how it used to be during sales.

Basically everything used to get massive discounts, now only old or small indie games get these type of discounts.

It's since they put refunds in in my experience.

That's not true at all, it was at least 2 years before that actually. They haven't had a good sale since about 2013 Christmas sale maybe it was 2012 but either way which ever it was, it was the last ever steam sales as we knew them. Since then it has been nothing but a meme.

Since refunds there's been no flash sales or community sales. Those were a big part of what made the sales so nice. Now it's the same prices throughout the sale.

They stopped before refunds though and the last 2 sales that had them, they were bad as well.

Refunds didn't kill off the sales, they died before that.

Wolfenstein 2 is a big name game and it's half off just a month after release

the good old days..

now its rare to find pirated games that will allow you to play on official servers.

Singleplayer games :)

ye, if a game is single player i always try to find a download for it

Games like Rocket League or CSGO are not that great cracked

Rocket league was cracked and had a large group but the atmosphere isn't the same.

woh really? I own RL but I might have to try that one. CS 1.6 cracked was pretty good.

So multiplayer games then

Games like Rocket League are not that great

Games like CSGO are not that great cracked

"take all you can, give nothing back!" It's a pirates life for me (and yes that includes NEVER seeding)

Good thing everyone isn't like you or there'd be nothing for you to take

Piracy is only fun if you don't care about multiplayer. Unless you can pirate games that provide you a multiplayer option which I don't think I've heard of...

I played modern warfare 2 online. The cracked network was really good. I think there were a lot of non pirates on it because the official network sucked so that helped.

Indeed, AlterIWNet for MW2 was great as it had dedicaded servers instead of the standard peer2peer multiplayer of the base game.

That's why you have to get in credit card fraud these days. :-)

lol

GOG installers aren't legit enough?

Not all games are on Gog.

You can't have everything. There are a lot of GOG games.

Try some classics

Of course I pirate the classics, haha

Then I guess I'll see you online for some classic multiplayer? Oh wait you haven't heard of a single one.

Dude I don't know a game that's pirated that offers multiplayer. You can't play a pirated game with the official servers.

Okay I'll stop you there. The problem right now is that you think I don't understand. I do. Did you know there are games that didn't ever run on official servers? Yeah... Because they were old. Because they are classic. So I'm just going to go play some multiplayer on my classic games now. Bye

Ok cool, I'm gonna have so much fun playing classic games that aren't the games I want to play. Bye.

It's kind of hard to know whether you want to play a game or not if you don't even know what it's called or if it exists.

There's a cracked version of steam out there... With cracked multiplayer servers.

I found it 9 years ago. Came back a few times and it is still around amazingly.

You do need a second steam account though in case they wise up.

Thanks to all that replied! I’ve got some games to download!

Piracy is the best way to demo a game you are interested in

Lots of games have demos. I was playing prey demo last night. Good 2 hours of game play too. I kind of want to buy it now too

Lots of games have demos

No they don't. Not on PC.

Wow, 1,000+ demos for tiny indie games no one wanted to play anyway. We're talking about AAA publishers who used to release demos reliably on PC, but stopped around a decade ago.

You'll get 20+ hours out of it if you explore and do all the side quests. It's definitely worth it when it's on sale.

... Kind of pirated it myself though. If I wasn't buying a house right now I would buy it.

I really like steam its just games that cost 80-100CAD then have 200-250CAD in fucking DLC that I ignore.

And now you have a keylogger

The only keylogger I've gotten from a torrent was Windows 10.

Ha feel the burn Microsoft!

Hur dur pircay bad....buy gmae!

I'm so poor, I can't even buy games during the Steam Sale

Really? I only pirate games from companies that are unethical to support, namely AAA outfits that underpay, overwork, and habitually fire large chunks of the workers. Pirating all games by default is some real teenager shit and it's not cute.

You only steal from people you dislike....wow, you say that like you think that justifies theft from others. You're a scumbag thief, don't try to justify your shitty behavior.

I only pirate from companies where it is actually unethical to give them money. Sometimes buying something is unethical.

same here

Lmao. Pot calling kettle black. Pirates are priates. Fuck your ethics bullshit. People that work at any game company deserve to get paid.

I agree epople that work at any game company deserve to get paid, that's why I find it unethical to support certain businesses.

Except TPB has been up and down for I don’t know how long :(

Trust Millhouse to use uTorrent.

I wish they would do demos again.

If a game is to expensive, I will torrent then play .5 to 1 hrs.

If it's worth the money then I buy, if not then I delete.

I kinda understand why companies don't anymore. Most of the titles are completely complete garbage.

You can get refunds on Steam for the full value if you play less than 2 hours

Yea but doesn't steam forbid using the return option to demo games?

Ya, bought a game that was fantastic for about 6hrs then it was to late. It was one of those pumped game.

Game is called "no man's sky"

I feel like regular random discounts on games throughout the year are better than steam sales nowadays. picking up a game thats 90% off in February but then only 25% off in the summer/winter sale is bullshit.

Yup. I remember picking elite up for a couple dollars 2 years ago. Now it's sale price is like ten dollars.

hahahaha nice meme my dude

Is battlefront 2 (2017) cracked and downloaded on torrent sites yet?

ITT: subscribers of r/piracy admit that they don’t pirate games

I wonder how cheap the games would be if people didn’t pirate them. It would be nice not to subsidize people who would rather steal the game than pay for it

Lol they would still sell them at the same price because some companies here are greedy as fuck and want every single dollar of yours

Ain't buying sh*t on Steam. Their price localization is a quite bad.

A 60 bucks game cost 30 or 40 bucks in Russia and Thailand while my country with 4x lower average salary has them at full $60. It's not like my country uses USD in the first place, why not let us use BTH or something?

These days I actually prefer Steam over torrenting, because I like having that big list of games that I can download anywhere. I only torrent games that I know I'd never buy.

NAS and unlimited google drive ;)

Eh, guess you're right. Still, there are those multiplayer games that I need steam for, so there's that.

Well that is true too. Myself I am not really into multiplayer.

I enjoy looking at steam sales and various sources like Redbox because it gives me ideas of what I may want.

uTorrent 2.2.1 FTW

Transmission is pretty nice on Linux as well.

Planet coaster and fractured but whole :)

Of course a loser like Milhouse would be using Utorrent.

But yeah. I have a large game library on steam, but I always pirate every game I buy to see if it''s worth it before buying it.

Bought shadow of war gold edition for 100 bucks but the gold content wasn't out yet.

Then they released the gold content and put a -30 to -40% discount on the game, 3 days after I bought it. 30% for the gold edition.

The gold edition update screwed up everyone's game, making our dudes disappear or change stats.

Steam won't refund because I played it more than 2 hours. I basically prepurchased a product for full price that was cheaper on release.

Should have just pirated it. The online portion is bugged out anyway and when it isn't bugged it's full of cheaters.

At least the devs got my money, I hope. Devs seem cool. It's the publisher that sucks balls.

I only buy games to play online.

What's Milhouse torrenting

those steamsales are only good for multiplayer titles as a pirate, most of the other stuff I prlly played long before for free before those steam sales come arround

I only buy online games and Nintendo games.

Steam "sales"

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utorrent

This is why nobody likes Milhouse.

Steam sales are a reminder of games I forgot about since steam is overloaded with shit games that searching for them manually is a test in patience. Im still seeing old games that havent released GOTY editions with all the DLC and then you look up the $5 game thats on sale has $50 worth of DLC attached to it. The cost for that aggravation is TPB.

Who pirates games anymore? Just buy a fucking cd key from allkeyshop or something. It's not worth the risk of having your computer infected with shit.

Not once have I gotten a virus for downloading games from trusted sources.

It’s not about downloading from trusted sources. You and I know that cracks are a nasty thing to have on your pc.

Lmao :)

not when they just do what theyre meant to do with no bs, you must be an awful pirate if you're getting malware whenever you try

Actually no. I don’t pirate games because I happen to work and can pay for things, and I’m not 13.

I'll always help the indie game devs.

Not only that, but pirating games is a pain in the ass. Cracks, missing out on patches and updates, multiplayer not working (or risking a ban).

Honestly I'd rather just pay 10 bucks and have a legit copy with auto-managed updates.

Yep. But what I don't want is to pay $60 for a game, have to pay another $40 to get the "full" game because of day-1 DLC, then have the entire game's economy and mechanics engineering around microtransactions and gambling simulators. Those are the games I pirate.

Ah cheers mate, you're a lifesaver!

Mine is also running a DIY wakeup light ;) If you want to do some electrical thinkering and have trouble waking up.

No but thats exactly what I find disturbing with them. This endless proprietary hoarding and artificial scarcity manipulation of prices. Plus I do not find that I should pay for a 10 year old game for example. No more work is being put into it and there is nothing being produced, it's just code in the ether.

So I tend to buy 2-3-4 games a year once they come out to support the developers actually developing something. Though I will occasionally buy a humble bundle to support charity and indie developers.

I do hope these words convince you to do the same.

Agreed. The only games I pirate are games like the Sims 4 where a fucking expansion pack costs as much as the game. Plus EA can go fuck themselves.

I'm the same. Just not for Activision or EA. Multiplayer is with it but if I just want a single player campaign then I'll buy it from piratebay

I agree. I have ~50 such games. Never played on stream but still bought.

It's kind of hard to know whether you want to play a game or not if you don't even know what it's called or if it exists.

I Bobby Terreria for 5 bucks. No brainer

Yeah.. I repurchased Witcher 3 on steam just so I didn't have to deal with finding the patches for the GoG version (didn't want to dl their client), but also to get the xpacs.

Not a pirate here: Which game do you recommend actually buying? My girl gave me a 50€ gift card for steam and I was going to spend it on divinity original sin 2 but then I realized that it was a turn based strategy game. I want some real time rpg action. Any recommendations?

I pirate only when their pricing makes zero sense. I'll always pay a reasonable amount for games.

I rather help the companies

As a long time pirate, i've only recently starting buying games when they are cheap enough that i can afford them on my shit salary.

Am i helping anyone if i buy a 5-10 year old game for 5 bucks? I mean i feel better because i paid for something that i enjoyed but is it helping anyone anymore? Will the devs see anything after that time or just publishers?

So if something isn’t “new”, it’s not worth paying for? Even if it still has value because people want to use it?

Same - I've done enough over the years when I couldn't afford things where I actually am happy (?!) to pay for the games. I'm not at WinRAR purchasing level, yet, though ;)

Factorio 👌👌👌

I don’t have a gaming rig, I just have a MacBook Pro 2014 with BootCamp and have purchased a ton of Steam games that were on sale, I also have many consoles/handhelds where I spent most of my gaming time because I’m a lazy ass which don’t like to manually plug in my Mac to AC, the PS3/PS4 and the HDMI as well, opening Steam and having a headache with the graphic panel (I’m looking at you Sonic Generations).

In that specific scenario would it hurt if I pirate?

i haven't paid full price for a game yet, just capitalizing on sales. i've kept a spread sheet of my steam purchases, i've spent roughly $160 for 24 games that would've cost me close to $600 at full price. plus 14 games for free.

i know this isn't really the right sub for this kind of talk, but i can accept that price point.

It's a double edged sword. I don't mind paying if the game is really good or old and cheap, but if the game is old and expensive, like $20 4 years after release, then fuck'em, torrents it is.

you should use transmission

Tru I would pirate stuff all the tiem when I was younger. Now if it's an artist or whatever I really believe in, then I pay for sure. Various movies are still free game tho

My friend says thanks but where does he go since kickass torrents shut down?

7zip is way better anyway

But I don't even buy my games at walmart or any retail location. My entire library is digital and I can download it at anytime.

I haven't pirated a game since I got out of college. Just not worth the hassle.

For fuck sake, mgs5 was like $4. That's insane.

Pirate dlc, buy base. The amount of dlc for games is getting out of hand.

All the games I actually want are insanely expensive for how old they are.

Phantom Pain only 20% off, XCOM 2 still super expensive despite being over two years old, Dragons Dogma, Fallout 4, pretty much everything is way too expensive for my taste.

The only thing I could think of is that torrent programs use some low level disk caching algorithms that might have broken something.

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i pirated games from the 90s all the time cause i had no money. i was feeling nostalgic one day and wanted to play them again. i didnt have my burned discs any more so i went looking. didnt find a lot of them on torrents, so i found them legit for like $10. i happily paid that, and $5 for doom 2.

I miss having rss feeds automatically download what I wanted. I miss utorrent and Kickass. :/

Sometimes piracy is more convenient. If there's a GoG version of the game I don't give a shit how cheap it is on Steam, I'm grabbing the GoG .exe

Dan Carlin talked about this. Our greatest enemy is piracy we gotta charge just enough that they feel guilty for not buying it

Not long ago, I figured "Hey, I've used this shareware program for decades, I should pay for it!". The last 5 years has seen me finally not in the depths of poverty and I've been doing what I can to give back.

Opened WinRAR, and clicked through the buy WinRAR links.

Then I saw what they wanted for a single non-commercial license. That day, WinRAR was uninstalled and I went to 7zip.

Not because 7zip was better, and not because 7zip was free, but because holy fucking Christ that's an absurd amount of money to ask for a program that's so easily replaceable. I didn't use WinRAR because it offered anything special, but rather just out of convenience.

So, dude lost another sale. I honestly don't get where he gets off charging what he does for something with objectively superior open source alternatives.

Sadly, good games tend to discount slower.

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Keep an eye on Humble Bundle and Humble Monthly. Both XCOM 2 and Dragon's Dogma (amazing game) were $12 USD a while ago

I bought Virginia today, an indie title with an amazing soundtrack.

I had downloaded it a while back and liked it enough to wait for a sale.

They must be doing pretty poor in sales, as I got it for 1.26$ and felt bad buying it considering the amount of work they put into it.

Also bought Original Sin for 15$

Deus Ex Mankind Divided is also incredibly cheap, but if you guy their main bundle that gives you all the previous titles, you end up getting the game and its DLC for almost 4$ cheaper (and more if you already own any of the previous titles like GOTY)

I have always purchased what I believe to be a good game/movie/music.

There's something seriously wrong if a torrent client causes BSODs.

Yeah, this post got an eyeroll for this reason.

you can pirate fallout 4 very easily

Actually no. I don’t pirate games because I happen to work and can pay for things, and I’m not 13.