Hold up

6257  2018-01-27 by miguelz509

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why would you use any other antivirus than Windows Defender which is already included

Because you're downloading shady pirated software.

I recommend you read the article you linked

There are differences in how early AVs detect viruses or malware, there are also differences in how advanced their protection is for "possible threats" i.e. very early viruses that haven't been detected and registered fully. There are also large differences in how much resources they pull, how fast they scan, extra features and so on and so forth.

There's a couple of legit Antivirus testing boards that go through them all regularly and rank them according to all these different criteria. Virusbulletin.com Av-comparatives.org and more.

Because common sense + windows defender doesn't seems to work for some.

Common sense + defender + browser adblock + Steven Black's hosts file to be extra safe and still not slow down your computer at all.

What is Steven black hosts file?

It's something you can add to your computer's hosts file) When your computer needs to know the IP address for a domain name, like google.com, it usually asks a DNS server, but the hosts file can override that and tell it the domain points to some other IP. In the case of Steven Black's hosts, every domain name belonging to a known advertisement or malware domain points to 0.0.0.0, effectively blocking them from being reached.

Only problem with hosts files is that it adds latency to every connection. It is great at blocking ads though.

Thanks man!

I just added a link to my comment.

Cheers mate

Was gonna say, aren't most antiviruses rootkits( looking at you Norton) anyway and wouldn't it be better to just have a file scanner and something to watch your traffic?

I have Avast. It came with a free thirty day premium thingy. Is that okay?

Avast was good because it was free, similarly Avira, if you have to pay for it then not do much.

If you have to pay NOD32 is nice because it is very light.

I love my nod32. Amazing piece of software compared to most anti virus

I thought Windows defender is shit?

For greater majority of users it's good enough, it's only if you have no common sense, are computer illiterate or you are repeatedly doing shady stuff on the internet that it's not enough.

A good indicator on whether you need a better antivirus, that I use for friends and family, would be the "download" buttons that aren't the actual download button. If you can't differentiate between them then you propably need something stronger :)

I used to think that too. Until I used it, got rid of some hardcore malware I couldn’t get rid of with anything else. I guess it’s pretty cool now!

That seems to be a common misconception, it's been pretty good for a while now.

In other words I might as well get ride of but defender?

It should be. I've always wondered why everyone has found it perfectly acceptable for so long for an OS to be unable to defend itself, and rely on a third party for this.

Because a virus writer would test his virus against defender since everyone has it. If it ends up being that the virus makes it past that, then it means it'll infect at least most people since it at least hits the bare minimum.

I don't know. I can't trust windows defender. But in future I go to Linux mint.

Linux mint is awesome, super fast unlike the slow constantly hanging windows 10 and it's also simple to use. I would still recommend to use some caution especially online though.

I think this can be said about any situation.

Well one of those is an OS and one is an antivirus so that's not really a valid comparison

I got Norton Security Sweet free with my ISP you think it's even worth using with Windows Defender already on my PC? I don't know, but I feel like Norton is taxing my cpu a little.

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I'd rather have no antivirus at all then rely on Norton. Stick with Defender.

Throw in ublock origin as well and you're set.

Uninstall Norton completely, and just use Windows Defender.

I got a story for you. Without my knowledge, my son downloaded dolphin emulator and what he thought was zelda windwaker. A 4 MB file named zelda windwaker.

Yeah, had to do a full reinstall that day. Luckily it a bid computer and not mine.

But it was a teaching moment that you can't believe everything on Google and about file size.

Be careful about downloading the Zelda iso's. Zelda is the only thing I've ever got copyright strikes from. They shut my internet off because I got three strikes for:

  • Zelda Wind Waker
  • Zelda Twilight Princess
  • Zelda Skyward Sword

Just because you torrent these games doesn't mean you don't own the rights to it, should tell your isp to fuck off.

The thing is that it's not them. They are just forwarding the notices from Nintendo lawyers.

Takes me back to my carefree youth, downloading ROMs sans VPN. The thrill, the adventure... my need for an RPG was quenched in the moment that the game became a possibility.

Anyway you should use a VPN though

Don't worry I don't sail the seas without my parrot named VPN. Arr!

Yeah I got one for twilight princess. Told em I owned the GameCube version and that it was fine. Never got another hate mail from ol crapcast

I'm actually playing Windwaker while reading this lol. Currently fighting the Kalle Demos. Great game, breaks a bit off the Zelda formula, which is why its good.

Lmao teach your son about these accidents.

And about emuparadise.

You're much better off getting No-Intro and Redump sets from archive.org. You can easily get the entire library for almost any system.

Emuparadise has zero zelda games. It has gamecube games and stuff but none of the major titles

Rather, about Wii U USBHelper and Cemu.

had to do a full reinstall that day. Luckily it was his computer and not mine.

If he's old enough to download emulators, he's old enough to reinstall the OS himself. That's how you learn.

Common sense

**common sense + windows defender + Ublock origin

WinDefender kept using 30% of my CPU at times when I was doing anything and I couldn't find an option on it and in settings that fixed it so I turned it off and installed Avast.

you have something trying to install but it was protecting you.

I read this comment really dramatically. Like it was only trying to save it's owner and all he got in exchange was betrayal and being uninstalled.

Defender works fine, if it's constantly working the CPU, something is wrong and disabling it is probably not the wise choice.

Often when this kind of thing happens, there's some kind of malware that's being stalled but not removed. The deep scan option or malwarebytes can usually remove it.

Windows defender is all you need, it uses least cpu and gpu.

well its the least intrusive at least.

Common sense is the best antivirus. The rest are supplements.

Some people don't have the meatware to run Common Sense.

I preached this for many years, but goddamn some of these recent exploits are brutal, and sites I previously trusted have sold out and are distributing them.

get ublock

And umatrix

Specifically uBlock origin.

Please explain.

UBlock origin is the guy who started uBlock before he sold it.

He sold out? What? Glad I have uBlock Origin, then.

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

At least he made something else.

I thought I read he lost 100% rights to the program, and then decided to sell off what rights he had. Sounded more like he made the best of a shitty situation

Im also a fan of Steven Black's unified hosts files.

you have to go through a little bit of it but the rest is just set and go.

I use malware bytes along with those two

Holy I had SUCH issues with Windows Defender covertly deleting cracks or suspected cracks silently in the background. I shut that shit down. Then I had a forced update install itself and it turned Windows Defender back on. UGH.

Here's instructions on how to disable WD.

UPDATE: Post Windows Update madness and it deleted Tor Browser. Tor! This fucker is evil.

Just blacklist any directories that contain cracks.

Not practical when you have huge folders og software.

Because Avast?

I even deactivate windows defender. Common sense is al I need.

Common sense is al I need.

What could possiblie go wrong?

Because I get it free from work!

Why would you use windows if you’re really that concerned with your protection lol

Otherwise it can't detect your Windows is pirated

Only time I have to install/run anti virus or malware sw....is when I let other ppl use my comp 😑

At least you got all those new fancy toolbars though :)

I'm having flashbacks to one of my ex's. I had to set up profiles and take away all of the permissions on hers because every time I came home from work shit was fucked.

Lol that's the first sign.. I know how my windows UI and web browser are supposed to look like. Any little new thing and it's suspect 👽

Exactly when should I consider pirating an anti-virus, I have the free avast one and didn't have any problems (that I can notice anyways) until now. And how is pirating that even possible, isn't the av supposed to be connected to the company's server at all times for the database and constant security updates and such? How can they not detect pirates?

One server might be license.antivirussite.com and another could be database.antivirussite.com. Not saying that anyone should pirate AV's, but common sense may lack in some people lol

Maybe it should ring a warning bell if your antivirus doesn't detect it has been pirated.. But in reality, MSE/Defender is all you need, fuck em third party AVs, just unneeded resource hog.

...but how could Defender be adequate? If a virus can't beat Defender, then it's not a hood virus.

IIRC Defender blocks out 99.9% of the traditional attacks and 98.x% of zero days. That last .1% can be prevented by the user, or actually, the whole 100% can be prevented by the user. Many free AVs have very similar scores.

If it's your grandmas computer, sure, install a hefty package of security software but if you know anything about computers and how to avoid malware you don't need any of that.

Third-party AVs usually want you to install a plethora of other software on top of their AV, browser plugins, background programs, registry cleaners yadda yadda which are all unneeded resource hogs and hindrances in normal computer usage. Free versions also tend to have some sort of pop-ups or reminders to nag you to purchase the full version.

Is Malwarebytes not any good? I had always thought they were decent, but I haven’t followed any of this for years.

As far as the free version is concerned, which is what most people mean, Malwarebytes isn't a replacement. It's not a preventative measure, it's a cure.

Yup, windows defender for real-time protection, malwarebytes for periodic scans and heavy duty removal. Throw ublock origin in your browser and maybe a pi hole on your network and you’ll be about as secure as possible.

What's a pi hole?

I used to have the full version installed . I think for the 5 years I had it it only ever found cracks and chrome false positives That was just frustrating.

I didn’t have an antivirus program though, for this whole time I thought Malwarebytes took care of viruses too...

Malwarebytes does detect when its been pirated and will show it as malware.

I have it and it's good for most things but it's designed to run alongside antiviruses as it's an antimalware program. The only time it's annoying is when it detects cracks and the fact that you patched it but that can be solved with exclusions.

malwarebytes is the cure for a infection.it doesnt prevent shit

Windows defender eats up my cpu and disk though

Then check out if it’s not trying to delete something because that behavior is not normal

Piracy humour: Accurate, metaphorical situations

Crack Watch humour: HAHA LOL DENUVO ON SUICIDE WATCH WHERE IS ASSASSIN'S CREED ORIGINS

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Piracy humour. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of illigal downloading most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also the pirates nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into their characterisation- their personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Piracy humour truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in the existential catchphrase "Accurate, metaphorical situations," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as /r/piracy’s genius wit unfolds itself on their reddit frontpage What fools.. how I pity them. 😂

And yes, by the way, i DO have a piracy tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎

WHAT THE FUCK?????? Crawl back into your basement, holy shit

At first I was like OMG who is this guy then I saw the line at the end and was all like slow clap....

all you need is a firewall and ad blocker.

And a brain. Don't forget a brain.

Doesn’t windows include a firewall? Is the standard windows firewall and settings sufficient?

I’ve recently had to reformat my HDD and reinstalled everything and fingered I wouldn’t install the usual Malwarebytes and just install the bare minimum of programs I used.

You can get infected with a virus by attachments, downloading/opening files that could have them embedded.

If you download from trusted sources (which just takes some reading to make sure there’s other people okay with it), you’re fine.

If you download a ton from the internet and open files locally, then you’re more exposed.

There used to be Live CDs with antivirus. I liked them since they ran with windows offline. Maybe you can find one and run it every now and then.

You keep your system is clean and no bloating.

heise (a German magazine) releases a linux live disk with some antiviruses each year. Very helpful. If you subscribe to the magazine you get the "full" version (luckily we do). If not, you can still find it elsewhere.

Windows does include a firewall. It's enough, no need for some third-party firewall. Malwarebytes is more than enough.

Why I'm saying that you only need ad blocker is because most of the time if you download something weird it's whats going to have a virus (unusual exe files). With adblocks you mostly remove those annoying download now buttons that are fake. Apart from that I can't think of any place you'd get a virus. Or maybe through email.

sudden urge to binge watch classic action cartoons anyone else?

X-men, and the tick

ah the tick reminds me of surreal earthworm jim series what an odd cartoon it is

I'm good.

1994 spiderman was the best.

Why should a anti-virus care about pirated apps. It pisses me off that anti-virus programs are always trying to disable cracks that have no virus or malware.

It kinda frustrates me too but I can think of two potential reasons:

Firstly, the piracy scene is full of cracks, fakes and things that do have viruses in them and while many people here can say they're smarter than that, it's still a major issue as a whole.

Secondly, it's a perception thing. A non-genuine OS is much more serious as it can often mean that you don't get updates and be exploitable to attacks (e.g. the exploit used by Wannacry was already patched by the time of the attack). Joe Bloggs is more likely to blame the software that is supposed to be protecting him than what was really at fault.

Not because of this. It's because the methods cracks use to work are also the methods viruses use to do their things.

Antivirus doesn't even know that crack you have is a crack, it only knows the code of the program is now showing the hallmarks of a virus. Thus, false positive. This is unavoidable so long as cracks are using these techniques, which they have to use.

Because anti-viruses are nothing more than spyware and the AV companies add harmless cracks to their databases in order to sell data on piracy to software companies.

>when windows defender wants to delete mircrosoft toolkit

Top kek

I'm pretty sure it's because of the nature of cracks, not them doing it intentionally.

A lot of cracks use hardware jumps to get around the authentication portion of the program they're cracking. This is also how malicious programs can get to places they're not supposed to in the memory, and the instructions used for this are easy to detect once they're largely known. I'm not sure if this is the only case, but it is definitely a case.

Also because warez fuckheads for the longest time actually used to pack their cracks with custom UPX versions and whatnot ... exactly the thing they were working against. UPX, imo, means it's a virus, especially if it's not standard unpackable UPX.

Before I started paying for Bitdefender, the first thing Bitdefender would quarantine...was Bitdefender.

Two things I never pirate.

Antivirus because I'm not stupid and I generally don't worry about them but if need be ill use Malwarebytes

And windows. I want the latest shit with full updates so security is good. That and I hate how it doesn't let you set a wallpaper

you can set a wallpaper.

And you can get updates. OP is just incompetent.

And windows...I want the latest shit [...] a wallpaper...

You are without a doubt the worst pirate I’ve ever seen

But you've heard of me?

Nahnahnah you can’t top that shit mate

Pirated windows is 100% functionally identical to legit ones. Anyone who says that you don't get updates has never pirated windows.

Then my buddies suck dick at pirating it then because I used to screenshare with them and it was outdated and didn't let him put on wallpapers and didn't save settings. Maybe he didn't crack it.

If he didn't crack it, he didn't pirate it. He just downloaded Windows 10 straight from microsoft (https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10) and installed it without activating it. Kinda like winrar, you can use it this way forever, just with watermark and no personalization.

Pretty sure he got it from pb, he's just retarded.

Should've used Microsoft Toolkit

If you're smart and scan your shit every now and then, you don't really need AV

Pirating an anti-virus is like getting a burglar to protect your home

So, basically the police.

I don't get it

I think they are making a joke about asset forfeiture, but that's more robbery than burglary.

Cops are thieves

"Where'd my TV go?"

"I was trying to kill a fly, but it touched the TV, and you know, I can't risk ebola, so..."

"It's 2018, nobody (very few people) have ebola?"

"Wow, it's so late: 10:00 -- I'll turn in for the night, see ya tomorrow!"

"It's 10:00 AM, jackass!"

Assuming you could trust the burglar, that wouldn't be a bad idea. The burglar would know exactly how to defend against it.

There was a whole TB show based on this with an electrician guy and an ex-burglar. They’d intentionally have this guy break into a house to find it’s weak points, then add security to it, and do it again. Super cool. They’d keep going ‘til burglar couldn’t break in.

There was a whole TB show based on this with an electrician guy and an ex-burglar. They’d intentionally have this guy break into a house to find it’s weak points, then add security to it, and do it again. Super cool. They’d keep going ‘til burglar couldn’t break in.

I would never use a pirated Antivirus. Just begging for problems.

pirating windows and using third party antivirus in 2018

Kek

i know everyone in this post is anti-piracy and they're saying it's inexcusable to not go out and spend $60 on a brand new game that you want to play, but put yourself in other people's perspective.

for example i've never played any assassins creed game, and that is simply because i can't afford it. living with my low-income parents and starting college and barely being able to afford tuition, let alone the god damn books - it isn't easy but it also doesn't justify stealing.

i haven't bought new shoes in over a year and a half. they're torn and ripping from the sole. if i had $60 to spend, it'll be on a pair of shoes.. not the opportunity to play 1 out of like 10 assassins creed games, from what i read too without the full game or any "DLC"

i'm not going to go into the topic of business ethics and how much money companies are making and how they're charging for content that should be in the game, but let's be realistic:

i'm not going to buy it unless it's used - which then you can definitely argue that EA or whatever company only received $60 from the original purchaser. Not a single dime from me.

Just remembering it was a blessing for my parents to buy me Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga on my glacier gameboy advance when everyone had their Nintendo DS or XL flip with dual lit touch screens.

If your spending a significant amount of money on college books, your doing college wrong.

Pirate your books man, this semester I had to pay 38$ for one book I couldn't find, so I found 4/5 books for free online, I saved over 600$ for new and over 250$ if I bought used.

Last semester I found ALL of my books online, I spent 0$

The semester before that I spent 20$ only because it was a book written by my college for my college kinda thing

Don't bring ethics into it either, go lookup what those textbook companies are doing to YOU and you'll change your mind pretty quickly.

This guy gets it!

I wholeheartedly support piracy from both a practical and ethical perspective. When it comes to windows, piracy is a pointless sacrifice of privacy/safety, as oem keys are like $3

Where are legit places to buy oem keys for $3?

Which website do you use?

ShutTheFuckUp.gif

Nice new copypasta

Your parents can't get you a pair of shoes from Wal-Mart?

I just got a pair of size 13s for work, 26 bucks.

If you nor your family can afford kicks, you need to reevaluate some finances

You can get all Assassins Creeds except Origins for free.

All paid anti-virus services are scams and most are worse than a virus anyway. Why bother pirating? In addition, for any anti virus software to be even a little effective it needs to be consistently updated and I assume a pirated version would not get those updates.

haHA!

This being a link from r/memes makes it even better somehow.

This is inescapable so long for an RPG was quenched in the moment that the virus makes it even good somehow.

If you download a ton from the internet that it's a perception matter.

Tired spidy kicked out of 4chan drifts aimlessly in reddit.

Would it work though?

Because common sense + windows defender doesn't seems to work for some.

That seems to be a common misconception, it's been pretty good for a while now.

I even deactivate windows defender. Common sense is al I need.

Otherwise it can't detect your Windows is pirated

Because Avast?

I'd rather have no antivirus at all then rely on Norton. Stick with Defender.

Yup, windows defender for real-time protection, malwarebytes for periodic scans and heavy duty removal. Throw ublock origin in your browser and maybe a pi hole on your network and you’ll be about as secure as possible.

There are differences in how early AVs detect viruses or malware, there are also differences in how advanced their protection is for "possible threats" i.e. very early viruses that haven't been detected and registered fully. There are also large differences in how much resources they pull, how fast they scan, extra features and so on and so forth.

There's a couple of legit Antivirus testing boards that go through them all regularly and rank them according to all these different criteria. Virusbulletin.com Av-comparatives.org and more.

Because I get it free from work!

Because you're downloading shady pirated software.

I don't get it

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Holy I had SUCH issues with Windows Defender covertly deleting cracks or suspected cracks silently in the background. I shut that shit down. Then I had a forced update install itself and it turned Windows Defender back on. UGH.

Here's instructions on how to disable WD.

I used to think that too. Until I used it, got rid of some hardcore malware I couldn’t get rid of with anything else. I guess it’s pretty cool now!

Why would you use windows if you’re really that concerned with your protection lol

I preached this for many years, but goddamn some of these recent exploits are brutal, and sites I previously trusted have sold out and are distributing them.

Uninstall Norton completely, and just use Windows Defender.

I used to have the full version installed . I think for the 5 years I had it it only ever found cracks and chrome false positives That was just frustrating.

I didn’t have an antivirus program though, for this whole time I thought Malwarebytes took care of viruses too...

Some people don't have the meatware to run Common Sense.

For greater majority of users it's good enough, it's only if you have no common sense, are computer illiterate or you are repeatedly doing shady stuff on the internet that it's not enough.

A good indicator on whether you need a better antivirus, that I use for friends and family, would be the "download" buttons that aren't the actual download button. If you can't differentiate between them then you propably need something stronger :)

UBlock origin is the guy who started uBlock before he sold it.